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A Gaa Player Manager?

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Back in 1977 Heffo took leave of Dublin, for a year, and their centre forward, the intelligent barrister, Tony Hanahoe took control of and captained the team to all Ireland victory.

A Donegal poster who spoke of Michael Murphy as a potential manager got me thinking is this possible today? Kenny Dalglish with Liverpool in the late 80s and early 90s did the same and Johnny Giles nearly brought Ireland to the WC in Argentina in 1978 as a player manager.

Is there simply too much to do behind the scenes today? Or with proper delegation to background staff could a player play, influence selection and effectively direct the style of play of his team?

I don't think so myself but in a floundering county where you have an outstanding leader is it an outlandish suggestion? You could imagine Kieran McGeeney taking control of Armagh when in his mid 30s around 2006/7. That type of character. Did Jim McGuinness do similar for his club at one stage? My own county are in a mess right now and one of their main leaders is 34 year old Ross Munnelly. I couldn't see him performing the role though.

Interested to hear peoples thoughts.

Laois76 (Laois) - 16/08/2017 22:54:00    2034512

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Replying To Laois76:  "Back in 1977 Heffo took leave of Dublin, for a year, and their centre forward, the intelligent barrister, Tony Hanahoe took control of and captained the team to all Ireland victory.

A Donegal poster who spoke of Michael Murphy as a potential manager got me thinking is this possible today? Kenny Dalglish with Liverpool in the late 80s and early 90s did the same and Johnny Giles nearly brought Ireland to the WC in Argentina in 1978 as a player manager.

Is there simply too much to do behind the scenes today? Or with proper delegation to background staff could a player play, influence selection and effectively direct the style of play of his team?

I don't think so myself but in a floundering county where you have an outstanding leader is it an outlandish suggestion? You could imagine Kieran McGeeney taking control of Armagh when in his mid 30s around 2006/7. That type of character. Did Jim McGuinness do similar for his club at one stage? My own county are in a mess right now and one of their main leaders is 34 year old Ross Munnelly. I couldn't see him performing the role though.

Interested to hear peoples thoughts."
It's possible. But to see anyone nowadays, 35 plus, playing top class inter county football or hurling, is rare.

For anyone less then 35, to play top class inter county football or hurling, plus club games, and manage the county team; is not possible if you want to win trophies.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - 16/08/2017 23:25:05    2034522

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don't think it'd be possible nowadays ..

waynoI (Dublin) - 17/08/2017 07:31:37    2034549

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Worked for Dublin in 77 with Tony Hanahoe and I'd wonder how things might have fared for Dublin had they kept him instead of taking Heffo back. As much of a legend as Heffo is, a couple of players in that squad weren't happy with his return in 78, but as far as the experiment went it was successful

keithlemon (Australia) - 17/08/2017 09:09:13    2034561

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Replying To Laois76:  "Back in 1977 Heffo took leave of Dublin, for a year, and their centre forward, the intelligent barrister, Tony Hanahoe took control of and captained the team to all Ireland victory.

A Donegal poster who spoke of Michael Murphy as a potential manager got me thinking is this possible today? Kenny Dalglish with Liverpool in the late 80s and early 90s did the same and Johnny Giles nearly brought Ireland to the WC in Argentina in 1978 as a player manager.

Is there simply too much to do behind the scenes today? Or with proper delegation to background staff could a player play, influence selection and effectively direct the style of play of his team?

I don't think so myself but in a floundering county where you have an outstanding leader is it an outlandish suggestion? You could imagine Kieran McGeeney taking control of Armagh when in his mid 30s around 2006/7. That type of character. Did Jim McGuinness do similar for his club at one stage? My own county are in a mess right now and one of their main leaders is 34 year old Ross Munnelly. I couldn't see him performing the role though.

Interested to hear peoples thoughts."
i think its certainly possible at club level if the personality is big enough. At county level though there is no way its possible.

BuffyBoffy (Mayo) - 17/08/2017 09:57:44    2034575

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Replying To keithlemon:  "Worked for Dublin in 77 with Tony Hanahoe and I'd wonder how things might have fared for Dublin had they kept him instead of taking Heffo back. As much of a legend as Heffo is, a couple of players in that squad weren't happy with his return in 78, but as far as the experiment went it was successful"
Was it true Heffo came back as he missed out on the glory of 1977?

Laois76 (Laois) - 17/08/2017 10:03:41    2034580

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "It's possible. But to see anyone nowadays, 35 plus, playing top class inter county football or hurling, is rare.

For anyone less then 35, to play top class inter county football or hurling, plus club games, and manage the county team; is not possible if you want to win trophies."
I'd agree overall. You have about 10 players in the 34-36 year old age category playing inter county nowadays. Seems less than before. The last 40 year olds were Tony Browne and Mickey Linden.

Laois76 (Laois) - 17/08/2017 10:05:19    2034581

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I think Brian McEniff was player manager when Donegal won our first Ulster in 1972. I think we as player manager for a few years around then.

McGuinness was player manager with Glenties when they made the Donegal final. Although I think he was joint manager.

himachechy (Donegal) - 17/08/2017 17:11:41    2034789

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Replying To himachechy:  "I think Brian McEniff was player manager when Donegal won our first Ulster in 1972. I think we as player manager for a few years around then.

McGuinness was player manager with Glenties when they made the Donegal final. Although I think he was joint manager."
Yes think i remember hearing that on Brian McEniff's Laochra Gael programme.

Laois76 (Laois) - 17/08/2017 21:43:21    2034906

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