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The GAA MUST ban this flag from EVERY ground on the island. It is a symbol of racist, white supremacists and don't insult us with this naive, 'we fly it only because it's red and stands for the Cork 'rebels". This fools no one. There shouldn't even be a debate given the horrible rhetoric Trump is coming out with defending these White KKK morons. Anyone flying it should be thrown out of the GAA if they are a member. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 16/08/2017 00:16:11 2033974 Link 0 |
A lot of people on here need to read up on the American Civil War Slavery was a part of it But so was other reasons Texas had a problem with the Federal Goverment not protecting them from attacks by the Mexicans Other states had a problem with federal taxes Would love to see the faces of the PC crowd when they would see black Southerners with the Confederate flag While we're on the subject of hateful emblems what do most of you think of Celtic Crosses If you look up White Supremecy emblems you will see the Celtic Cross Should the Union Jack be banned At one stage it enslaved half the world cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 16/08/2017 01:30:15 2033985 Link 1 |
Mes could you not say the same thing about the British flag? I don't see people trying to ban that flag though. The talk of flags on here lately is gone nuts. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/08/2017 01:36:52 2033987 Link 0 |
Do you right wingers take a class in whataboutery, because that's always your argument. Either that or putting words in people's mouths. It isn't about appeasing people who are offended by something. You're right if you always bowed to someone's offence you wouldn't do anything. It's not all or nothing though, I think as a society we're able to make judgements on what symbols are and are not appropriate. The only thing that matters in what the symbol itself stands for. The Confederate flag is a racist symbol, it's not even that subjective. In the context of Cork supporters use it is not racism but it's still a racist symbol being brought into a GAA ground. I think we can quite easily ban outright racist symbols without worrying about falling down some super liberal rabbit hole just yet. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 16/08/2017 06:24:18 2033995 Link 0 |
How many people posting here know the history of the confederate flag and it's origins? Zero, I'd imagine, yet are making definitive statements about what it stands for. What about freedom of expression? The cork fans have been flying the flag since I've been watching Gaelic games, yet no problems until now? Goes back to my point about people knowing little about the flag. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 16/08/2017 06:37:01 2033996 Link 0 |
Was about to make a similar point. If you look back at footage of Munster finals back in the 80s you see lots of Confed and Union flags side by side. Why have people waited until 2017 to get offended about this when they weren't in the 80s? RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 16/08/2017 09:06:17 2034014 Link 0 |
By the same reasoning the swastika goes back to ancient hinduism. Imagine the uproar if it were flown.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 16/08/2017 09:28:55 2034019 Link 1 |
and sure down fans can fly a swastika because its all only a bit of a laugh....... maybe watch the movie "12 years a slave" as a starting point you ignorant cork supporters. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/08/2017 10:02:24 2034030 Link 0 |
People have been complaining about the flag at GAA matches for years. The complaints are getting more traction now as people are becoming more educated about what the flag represents. 'Freedom of expression' is an odd turn of phrase to use about a flag that represents people who wished to deny another race their most basic of freedoms. Also if you believe in freedom off expression so much then you shouldn't have a problem with people expressing their opinions that the Cork fans shouldn't fly this flag. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 16/08/2017 10:20:25 2034041 Link 3 |
The history isn't actually that important. It's all about what the flag symbolises today, here and now in Ireland. In an English speaking, Western country in the Information Age of the overwhelming meaning of the confederate flag is as a symbol of white supremacy. It's not a question of freedom of expression, the GAA has the prerogative to enforce its rules on patrons attending its games. I am free to drink alcohol outside of Croke Park yet am not permitted to bring it into the stadium, that's not an affront to my personal liberties, that's just part of the rules of attendance. The banning of symbols is not without precedent in the GAA, David Gough wasn't permitted to wear his rainbow laces when officiating in Croke Park a few years ago. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 16/08/2017 10:24:19 2034047 Link 0 |
You seem to have an obsession with the "PC crowd". Which particular sort of equality annoys you? Race, gender, sexual orientation, disability.....all of them?
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/08/2017 10:27:39 2034049 Link 1 |
Why the Palestinian flag in particular or are you trying to make a wider point about Muslim attitudes towards women and LGBTQ+ people? Not having a dig here, genuinely interested. For the record, I'm bisexual and it doesn't offend me. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/08/2017 10:32:04 2034053 Link 0 |
I think it's you who has to read up on the American Civil War and not revionist nonsense. Slavery was THE reason for the war. None of the other reasons thrown in on top would have led to war. There have been moves since the turn of the 20th century to try and gloss over slavery and try and convince people that the war wasn't just about slavery. This revionism has been quite successful, particularly in the south for obvious reasons as people want to believe that it wasn't about slavery alone. However that view of the war just doesn't hold up and thankfully more and more people are realising that the American Civil War was all about slavery and therefore it is stupid and wrong to continue to fly it. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 16/08/2017 10:33:23 2034055 Link 3 |
Hop-dippity-dang let's do some faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast pointless driving! Ah that takes me back although I always preferred the A Team, Knightrider and Airwolf myself :)
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/08/2017 10:34:26 2034058 Link 0 |
I've got a London GAA top from a few years ago that had large white Celtic Crosses on either shoulder. It's fine in the UK and Ireland but I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing it in parts of southern and eastern Europe where it's viewed as a white pride symbol.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/08/2017 10:40:03 2034061 Link 0 |
The Aryan brotherhood which is a white supremacist prison gang in the US use the Shamrock has one of the symbols. Should we ban all GAA clubs that use the Shamrock that has that as their club crest? OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 16/08/2017 10:47:53 2034067 Link 0 |
Mes could you not say the same thing about the British flag? I don't see people trying to ban that flag though. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 16/08/2017 10:57:06 2034072 Link 1 |
There's a huge difference and surely you know that. The Confederate flag has represented white supremecy since the 1860s. The shamrock hasn't. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 16/08/2017 11:00:46 2034075 Link 2 |
No of course not and I suspect you know that that is a ridiculous point you have made. The shamrock is a symbol of Ireland that got appropriated but those gangs. Just because some bad people take one of our symbols doesn't de-legitimize what the symbol is meant to mean to us here in Ireland, or indeed by most people around the world. By contrast the Confederate flag wasn't a symbol of anything else other than the Confederacy which seceded from the United States so that they could continue to own human beings as personal property. How can you not see that distinction?
the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 16/08/2017 11:06:59 2034079 Link 0 |
I don't think the Cork fans initially began flying this flag as any sort of political statement. It has red in it, and is known as the rebel flag so that is where it probably stems from. Visually it is a nice looking flag. To many it represents slavery and oppression.....can I offer a solution? yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 16/08/2017 11:09:25 2034081 Link 0 |