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Galway v Waterford Final

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Will get over defeat today but seriously it's great to have a Galway v Waterford Final.......will be rooting for Waterford! ....that's the heart speaking, head says Galway! I could be wrong.....lol!

eaglehaslanded (Cork) - 13/08/2017 17:42:06    2032816

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If the rules are enforced and applied in the correct manner then Aussie Gleeson and Conor Gleeson are both massive losses. Based on that I can't see anything but a Galway win.

daytona11 (Kildare) - 13/08/2017 17:47:40    2032820

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Replying To daytona11:  "If the rules are enforced and applied in the correct manner then Aussie Gleeson and Conor Gleeson are both massive losses. Based on that I can't see anything but a Galway win."
I don't think Austin was booked at all for that incident but he did pull his helmet off.

bud14 (Galway) - 13/08/2017 18:33:20    2032846

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Replying To daytona11:  "If the rules are enforced and applied in the correct manner then Aussie Gleeson and Conor Gleeson are both massive losses. Based on that I can't see anything but a Galway win."
I think Tuohy not getting cited might just save Austin Gleeson. Not right but we all know that disciplinary procedures in the GAA have nothing to do with what's right! As a neutral it's a great final though. I really can't wait for it. A novel pairing is always interesting.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 13/08/2017 18:40:47    2032852

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Gonna really feel like a novel final now. Austin will play. Conor won't. De Búrca will be back, though.

keeper7 (Longford) - 13/08/2017 19:08:40    2032863

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Galway will win if the two Gleesons are suspended. It's a novel final but back in the spring many including myself on ere all said we'd love to see a final between these two and now we have it!! Thank god for hurling!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - 13/08/2017 19:16:35    2032864

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I think Tuohy not getting cited might just save Austin Gleeson. Not right but we all know that disciplinary procedures in the GAA have nothing to do with what's right! As a neutral it's a great final though. I really can't wait for it. A novel pairing is always interesting."
While league form is foolish to go by this is what will decide the All Ireland. Rewind back to Salthill league quater final Waterford 10 pints up did they take the foot of the gas or did Galway grab this game by the scruf and fight with passion to go unbeaten since. Galway will feel they have the beating of Waterford and likewise Waterford will be thinking they had galway bet in Salthill. Obviously I am going for a galway win but I be a lot happer if it was Cork in final.

heartbroken (Galway) - 13/08/2017 19:23:18    2032865

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It's a novel pairing for sure and whoever does win it I'm sure the neutrals won't begrudge either team an All-Ireland. I hope Waterford have a full hand to choose from for the All-Ireland Final as you would want to see 2 full strength side's going hell for leather but I think the build up now will centre around Conor Gleeson's red card and Austin Gleeson for pulling off Luke Meades helmet which is turning into a circus now. Joe Canning v Austin Gleeson 2 of the best Hurlers in the country going up against each other on the big stage..fingers crossed we get to see it!! Gaillimh ABU!!!

Supermacs88 (Galway) - 13/08/2017 19:26:52    2032866

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Great to see Liam will be heading to county that is long overdue an All-Ireland. Will be great to see either way

Hill16Army (Dublin) - 13/08/2017 19:41:37    2032873

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Tuoghy got off cause he wasn't looking at the player so I'd say Austin has a great chance of getting off , to miss an all Ireland final for that would be shocking. Why is this rule so strongly enforced ? a bleeding helmet pull am I missing something here ? Who cares just get on with the game ffs. Did the ref have to send the two lads off at the end ? Jesus Christ the game was over just give them both a yellow and not one word would of been said , common sense surely.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - 13/08/2017 19:42:31    2032874

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Will the SG highlight the Austin Gleeson incident tonight. Waterford supporters on here looked to make a meal of the Adrian Tuohy incident last week. Now look how that has come back to bite. Should Austin Gleeson be banned for the All Ireland final? Yes, he grabbed the face guard and pulled the helmet of. simple as that. Rules are rules !! Conor Gleeson might have a better chance of "getting off " the red card for striking the Cork player. Could be reduced to a yellow for careless play - Conor could get off because of Austin. Neither player should play in the All Ireland final if the rules are enforced.

lowandhard (Galway) - 13/08/2017 19:49:21    2032876

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tuoghy got off cause he wasn't looking at the player so I'd say Austin has a great chance of getting off , to miss an all Ireland final for that would be shocking. Why is this rule so strongly enforced ? a bleeding helmet pull am I missing something here ? Who cares just get on with the game ffs. Did the ref have to send the two lads off at the end ? Jesus Christ the game was over just give them both a yellow and not one word would of been said , common sense surely."
Conor Gleeson wasn't looking when he swung the hurl either. Both will get off.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - 13/08/2017 19:53:26    2032877

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tuoghy got off cause he wasn't looking at the player so I'd say Austin has a great chance of getting off , to miss an all Ireland final for that would be shocking. Why is this rule so strongly enforced ? a bleeding helmet pull am I missing something here ? Who cares just get on with the game ffs. Did the ref have to send the two lads off at the end ? Jesus Christ the game was over just give them both a yellow and not one word would of been said , common sense surely."
Helmet pulling can actually be pretty dangerous. Fellas have had their ears ripped by lads yanking the helmet's off them. That's why it's illegal.

Marooned (Galway) - 13/08/2017 19:57:16    2032879

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tuoghy got off cause he wasn't looking at the player so I'd say Austin has a great chance of getting off , to miss an all Ireland final for that would be shocking. Why is this rule so strongly enforced ? a bleeding helmet pull am I missing something here ? Who cares just get on with the game ffs. Did the ref have to send the two lads off at the end ? Jesus Christ the game was over just give them both a yellow and not one word would of been said , common sense surely."
There are too many sendings off in Gaa matches.Serious foul play should be punished but a lot of the sendings off are over the top.

endgame (Roscommon) - 13/08/2017 20:00:44    2032881

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Replying To Marooned:  "Helmet pulling can actually be pretty dangerous. Fellas have had their ears ripped by lads yanking the helmet's off them. That's why it's illegal."
Why the hell would you want to pull a helmet off a player. .. for stupidity alone he should miss final

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - 13/08/2017 20:15:22    2032887

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Replying To Marooned:  "Helmet pulling can actually be pretty dangerous. Fellas have had their ears ripped by lads yanking the helmet's off them. That's why it's illegal."
Come on man that's the bleeding extreme , if you punch a player you could kill him aswell but should a player get a year suspension for throwing a punch knowing how dangerous it could be? What Gleeson did was not one bit dangerous , I don't know about yous but I want to see the best players playing. If it's a dirty stroke then fair enough but for pulling a helmet off come on that's ridiculous.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - 13/08/2017 20:19:30    2032890

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tuoghy got off cause he wasn't looking at the player so I'd say Austin has a great chance of getting off , to miss an all Ireland final for that would be shocking. Why is this rule so strongly enforced ? a bleeding helmet pull am I missing something here ? Who cares just get on with the game ffs. Did the ref have to send the two lads off at the end ? Jesus Christ the game was over just give them both a yellow and not one word would of been said , common sense surely."
It was very deliberate and he can have no complaints if he is suspended I'm afraid to say. He actually tackles him around the neck and the play stops with the ball going out of play. He then brings his hand up past his helmet grabs it and pulls it off. He's not tangling in a tackle like de burca for example, he's not trying to grab out at something for balance or anything for example. Balls out of play and everyone has stopped yet yet he just grabbed at his helmet and eliberagely pulled it. Utterly stupid thing to do, id be asking the question why is this the 3rd Waterford hurler this summer alone to be involved in the same thing. It's a harsh rule for a reason because it can cause serious damage, when someone pulls at your helmet and face guard you have zero control and yanking of a neck and head can do damage. I seem to remember it came in on the back of some serious injuries occurring one that required a huge amount of stitches in a game. Whether it's an all Ireland or league club game the same rule should apply for me. Idiotic thing to do when your team mates have already been suspended twice in the last 2 months for doing the same.

tearintom (Wexford) - 13/08/2017 20:22:46    2032892

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Replying To lowandhard:  "Will the SG highlight the Austin Gleeson incident tonight. Waterford supporters on here looked to make a meal of the Adrian Tuohy incident last week. Now look how that has come back to bite. Should Austin Gleeson be banned for the All Ireland final? Yes, he grabbed the face guard and pulled the helmet of. simple as that. Rules are rules !! Conor Gleeson might have a better chance of "getting off " the red card for striking the Cork player. Could be reduced to a yellow for careless play - Conor could get off because of Austin. Neither player should play in the All Ireland final if the rules are enforced."
Didn't Tuohy get off for the same thing as Gleeson ? If rules are rules he should miss the final also shouldn't he ? Austin Gleeson won't get a ban precedent set with Adrian Tuohy . Wasn't looking at the player how can it be proven it was deliberate if he wasn't looking at him. Conor Gleeson will not get his ban overturned which will delight Galway unsung player for Waterford as he is the main man marker for them done a great job on Conor McDonald, Richie Hogan and Lehane today

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - 13/08/2017 20:23:22    2032893

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First final since 96 limerick v wexford) without any of the big 3. Two big powerful teams both will fancy their chances

someday (Limerick) - 13/08/2017 20:36:17    2032900

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tuoghy got off cause he wasn't looking at the player so I'd say Austin has a great chance of getting off , to miss an all Ireland final for that would be shocking. Why is this rule so strongly enforced ? a bleeding helmet pull am I missing something here ? Who cares just get on with the game ffs. Did the ref have to send the two lads off at the end ? Jesus Christ the game was over just give them both a yellow and not one word would of been said , common sense surely."
A rule was brought in several years ago to make interference with an opponent's helmet an automatic yellow card offence. This was upgraded a few years ago to an automatic red card offence. I was against this decision for a number of reasons not least because I knew most hurling refs and GAA disciplinary authorities wouldn't have the stomach to enforce it and it would end up creating more controversy, and so it has come to pass. It would be far better if refs had the freedom to issue a yellow or red card as they saw fit based on the severity of the helmet-pull. For instance, I would put Gleeson's indiscretion today, removing a helmet from a stationary player, on the lower end of the scale, deserving of a yellow, whereas grabbing a player's faceguard in full flight would be much more dangerous and worthy of red card. But with this "all or nothing" rule that's currently in place, refs and linesmen are wilfully choosing not to see these incidents because they don't want to send players off for what, in their heart of hearts, they don't believe to be a genuine sending-off offence.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - 13/08/2017 20:40:04    2032902

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