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Scrap the Provincials in their current form. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/08/2017 15:59:46 2030353 Link 0 |
Advantages of this system: Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/08/2017 16:07:55 2030369 Link 0 |
Super 8 has a 3 year trial period. The likes of Roscommon etc value the provincial system. This is a knee-jerk reaction thread to the poor quarterfinals this year, hold your horses there. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1193 - 07/08/2017 16:18:45 2030394 Link 0 |
Not a knee jerk reaction from me. From day one I thought it was a horrific proposal. Not surprised someone from the big 4 would be happy to wait and see.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/08/2017 16:21:22 2030399 Link 0 |
It was big 3 yesterday, Im actually from #6 Galway, but look the province thing is a good cup still, best to yous.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1193 - 07/08/2017 16:26:09 2030405 Link 0 |
I think that it is more than this years quarter finals that has people dreading the super 8 competition. The indications are that there are a few big teams who peak for august and september. Mayo have vindicated this today. The only time a small team will catch them is in the back door or the provincials, before the all ireland quarter finals come around. Kerry and Dublin simply will not be stopped in the super 8 competition for the same reason. Tyrone are shaping up to be a similar team too. They really walloped all before them this year in ulster. Unfortunately, there is a 3 or 4 horse race developing every year now, with the likelihood of dublin and kerry playing 2 out of every 3 finals as they will meet at the semi stage in the 3rd year cycle. Those would be the years that Mayo and tyrone will try and make their fixtures count to get to the final. In 2 years time, it will be so one sided that I would say that sky will look at pulling out and covering something else. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 07/08/2017 16:26:50 2030407 Link 0 |
Scrap everything and just do an open draw between Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone and Mayo, UPAY4DINNER (Roscommon) - Posts: 22 - 07/08/2017 16:26:52 2030408 Link 2 |
It was always big 4 to me. Mayo doing nothing new this year. Slow to get going but always hit the high gears this time of year. I am a huge fan of provincials and wouldn't scrap them but number of teams needs to be evened up and for some reason a lot of people have a huge hang up with moving a county from a province. With this structure you get the best of both worlds IMO.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/08/2017 16:38:36 2030424 Link 0 |
Given the Vatican-esque / glacial pace of change generally within the higher echelons of the GAA, I welcomed the introduction of the Super 8 on the basis that it represented a stepping stone to something better. Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 355 - 07/08/2017 19:31:40 2030541 Link 0 |
I think you either keep the Provincial championships as is or just scrap them and go with an open draw. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 07/08/2017 21:09:12 2030609 Link 0 |
You're going to have massive fixtures congestion and still a lob sided nature to number of games/waiting periods if you go that route. The provincials were so popular because of the derby element they provide. Local rivalry is the heart beat of the GAA. An open draw nationwide is a bad idea IMO. You should consider travelling distances too for fans in the early rounds. There doesn't look to be an implementable B Championship in your proposal either. I think the structure above ticks a lot of boxes. A provincial element is still maintained and existing Provincial Councils can administer each region. Simple format, fixtures are streamlined. No waiting periods. B Championship catered for with seamless crossover between 2 competitions. Knockout element to the Championship re-introduced with scope for upsets and massive prize for winning the provincial i.e AI semi final. Weaker counties get to compete on a level footing but still get a crack at main competition. If the above system was in use with say 4 games in the Provincial group stage then: 32 teams are guaranteed 5 Championship games. 16 teams are guaranteed 6 Championship games. The number of games in the group stages can easily be reduced or increased without altering the format. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 08/08/2017 09:23:26 2030790 Link 1 |
Players don't want a secondary championship. The intercounty game doesn't exist in a vacuum. There's Club to be played too. If a teams out they're out, they can go back to club. There should be more games within the main championship though. You can schedule things more evenly and keep the Provincials also. So every team plays say 4 games no matter what to include their Provincial championship matches. A team not playing Provincial championship plays an open draw match instead. So this season Monaghan would have played 3 Provincial championship matches and 1 open draw match. The weekend of Ulster and Leinster preliminary rounds the other 28 teams would play open draw. The weekend of Provincial quarterfinals would see 12 quarterfinals and 4 open draw matches, the weekend of semifinals would see 8 semifinals and 8 open draw matches and the weekend of the finals would see 4 finals and 12 open draw matches. Some number of teams go forward to the All Ireland knockout series. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 08/08/2017 14:42:50 2031056 Link 0 |
Players want the chance to compete in Championship proper and not be treated like lepers. That does not equate to not wanting a secondary championship. If they cannot qualify for provincial semi finals they have the B championship to compete in and try and improve as a team. Top quality players with weaker counties could also have the chance to compete for an All-star this way. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 08/08/2017 15:38:45 2031108 Link 0 |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Tommy_Murphy_Cup Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 08/08/2017 17:39:37 2031196 Link 0 |
You can literally write anything you want on wikipedia so it may not always be the best source of information. My memory is hazy but was it not for Division 4 teams only? Like I said, players don't want to be treated like lepers.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 08/08/2017 17:47:22 2031200 Link 0 |
As far as I can remember in its first season it was open to division 3 and 4 teams who lost in the opening 2 rounds of the qualifiers. When there was no take up in it for future years they removed division 4 teams from the qualifiers and they played the Tommy Murphy cup. I've personally nothing against there being a B competition, but I think realistically it just isn't wanted. That's why I didn't provide for it in my suggestion. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 08/08/2017 18:31:30 2031230 Link 0 |
Just done a bit of looking. You were a bit liberal with the facts there Whammo. Initial interest in the competition was lukewarm but it started to get some traction. By 2006 13 teams competed and it had the makings of a very decent competition. In 2007 they decided to make it an exclusively Division 4 competition which completely pulled the rug out from under it. After 2008 it was scrapped. There is nothing to suggest, that run properly, and given the respect it deserves, that the competition could not be a big hit with the players.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 08/08/2017 18:47:03 2031240 Link 0 |
Time to scrap Provincial championship, what,s the point of winning it and then been soundly beaten by a team from same provience? Open to any positive changes that will keep game alive. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2128 - 08/08/2017 19:00:28 2031246 Link 0 |
The truth is the quarters have been poor enough for the last few seasons, I'd hardly call it a knee jerk. The All Ireland doesn't begin now until mid/end of August it seems at semi final stage.
Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 08/08/2017 19:07:49 2031249 Link 0 |
Fair enough. Maybe there would be demand for tiered championships then.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 08/08/2017 19:17:45 2031254 Link 0 |