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I never mentioned anything about what kind of player Gleeson is. Tuohy deserves a ban as much as Gleeson whether he grabbed the face of the helmet or not makes no difference the offence is interfering with the face guard or any part of the helmet deliberately which Tuohy did. Gleeson did the same thing but if there is no ban for Tuohy Gleeson can't be banned.
dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 13/08/2017 22:04:31 2032952 Link 0 |
As I have said above (imagine it's been posted) the offence is interfering with the helmet . Tuohy interfered with the helmet deliberately so should be banned Gleeson interfered with the face guard deliberately which should be a ban . If Tuohy doesn't get a ban Gleeson shouldn't get a ban if CCC is constant . Both commited offences under the same rule just different sections as one was with the face guard and other with the helmet itself. dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 13/08/2017 22:07:35 2032956 Link 1 |
it's deliberately interfering with the helmet. Tuohy's hand was at the back of Mahers helmet while chasing back after the ball. Player was behind him . Austin Gleeson was a deliberate grabing of the face guard and pulling the helmet of the head. player was on the ground under him and the ball was out of play.
lowandhard (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 13/08/2017 22:33:12 2032975 Link 1 |
Austin Gleason should be banned. It is beyond stupid for a Waterford player to interfere with a helmet after all the controversy of the past few weeks. He is a gifted hurler and inspirational so often. However he lets himself down by acts like this, and this is not the first time. Even Loughnane acknowledged that much. And before Deise men start saying what would Louth men know, our own great Cu Chulainn would never do that. A sliothar down a dog's throat is not a red card offence! It is great to see Brick Walsh, Jamie Barron, O'Mahoney et al play in the final, but the Gleesons should not be there, LaLu (Louth) - Posts: 233 - 13/08/2017 22:38:14 2032979 Link 2 |
Were you watching the Sunday game he clearly pulled the face guard and was facing Meade the cork player tuohy was not facing his opponent there is a difference and too be honest we would like to win the all ireland again Waterfords best 15.
bud14 (Galway) - Posts: 296 - 13/08/2017 22:38:50 2032980 Link 0 |
IMO Gleeson's was 100% deliberate. Clasped his fingers around the faceguard and ripped the helmet off. Definitely knew what he was doing. Tuohy is far more of a grey area. He's facing the opposite direction and doesn't touch the faceguard. He has his arm back to hold off Bonner and his hand flips the back of Bonner's helmet and it comes off. That said I think Gleeson will get off as there will be war if he doesn't. Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2209 - 13/08/2017 23:32:04 2033004 Link 0 |
I expect it will not be in the referee's report. Within the context of the game I expect he'll get away with it. What will probably happen is that Conor Gleeson's red card will stand and he'll be suspended and Austin will get off in the trade off. But this rule really needs to be looked at and amended. It should be a yellow card offence minimum and left to the referee's discretion to decide if a particular incident deserves a red. At the moment it's a blunt instument that doesn't allow for context.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 14/08/2017 04:02:32 2033036 Link 1 |
If Galway want to win an All Ireland against Waterford, they will want to win it playing against the best players. I hope Gleeson is playing and it will all depend on the ref and CCC to determine his fate. He made a mistake in a split second and it would be a pity if he has to loose out on a chance to play in an All Ireland Final. TribalCharlie (Galway) - Posts: 151 - 14/08/2017 08:22:37 2033047 Link 0 |
Morally u are probably right......however there is a subtle difference From the pictures it is conclusive the Gleeson gripped the face guard and pulled it off, therefore there can be little doubt it was deliberate. Touhy on the other hand didn't seem to have an obvious gripping or pulling action therefore it would have been next to impossible to prove it was deliberate. It may (probably was) deliberate but I would imagine that was the reason behind the decision not to take it further. They wouldn't have been able to make it stick. Why do players do it anyway. No major advantage to be gained but huge consequences. It is not like you are intimidating someone, going to get a psychological upper hand or anything. It is not a hit so u are not taking it out of them physically either. It seems like "Dougal - don't press the red button". It is not allowed therefore we must do it. Childish behaviour that shows a lack of respect for your own team mates and a serious lack of discipline. you only put ur own team at risk for a split second of smug satisfaction. I have no pity for any of them that do it deliberately that get banned. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 14/08/2017 09:10:33 2033058 Link 0 |
My sentiments exactly. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 14/08/2017 10:30:38 2033108 Link 0 |
As Eddie Brennan said last night on the SG the footage is conclusive, Gleeson should have got a red card. Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 14/08/2017 12:20:44 2033184 Link 0 |
Yeah, Conor Gleeson has no hope now of getting off or Horgan to clear his name.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 14/08/2017 13:17:47 2033220 Link 0 |
Isn't it amazing how many people think you could get your hand entangled in a helmet 6 ft high behind you when the ball is in front of you! If that's a natural position for him then he's one of a kind! tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/08/2017 14:03:58 2033257 Link 1 |
No you don't. Its not the same- Austin clearly grabs the helmet. I hope Austin plays however and the rule is addressed. Alternatively a rule for AI Final suspensions should be looked at. All Suspensions outside of ones for dangerous play should be scrapped.
WunderBar (Galway) - Posts: 290 - 14/08/2017 19:47:22 2033415 Link 0 |
Aside from the emotion of an All Ireland final pulling a helmet off the face is potentially catastrophic for a player. The injury that could be sustained demands the greatest and highest sanction. An accidental pull is just that an accident, but to intentionally intefer with or pull a helmet off a player is so irresponsible so dangerous it beggars belief. Let the CCCC decide but a vague inconclusive finding will have grave consequences for players everywhere. Maybe when someone is left being spoonfed you might look at this diffetently. If Austin Gleeson doesnt play in the All Ireland final he has no one to blame but himself. Yes the final will be less without him, by all means give refs discretion in the rules but you have to protect players. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 14/08/2017 20:12:32 2033423 Link 0 |
Watched the Gleeson incident again and there was some malice as well in the way he brought Meade down which hasn't been discussed. Hard to see how he will get off tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/08/2017 21:40:56 2033446 Link 1 |
I've seen lots of people on here and various social media platforms saying they hope the Gleeson incident is not mentioned in the referees report. This is totally wrong. The sole reason Adrian Touhy was not banned was because the incident WAS included in the referees report. Barry Kelly stated he saw the incident and did not deem in necessary to take any action. He clearly thought Touhy's actions were not intentional. Because Kelly stated this the higher powers (CCC? Not sure who I'm talking about here.) had no basis to ban Touhy even if they wanted to. So people should be hoping that James Owens does likewise for Gleeson. If he states he did not see the incident the the higher powers have every right and are even obliged to investigate further. Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts: 244 - 15/08/2017 11:05:53 2033537 Link 1 |
Yep he did clearly grab it. As did Tuohy. You'd want to be blind not to see he made 3 attempts to get a grip of it
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 15/08/2017 13:01:45 2033595 Link 0 |
Considering that you started this thread and that you judged that Tuohy should not be allowed to play in the AI final what's your view and your judgement on A Gleeson?
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 16/08/2017 00:13:06 2033971 Link 0 |