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Replying To skillet: "Horgan did nothing to warrant a red card as far as I can see.. Bit of a disaster for the deise if the 2 Gleesons are out for the final." Agree with you on Horgan , if anything it was Kingston who should have walked for his follow up with the butt of the hurl on Conor Gleeson. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 13/08/2017 18:05:18 2032838 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Yeah it will be an interesting final. Gleeson will almost certainly miss it. For me pulling a helmet shouldn't be a red. It should be a yellow. There's very little damage done and it's embarrassing how little you need to do to get red. There should be no sendings off in hurling unless a guy absolutely cleaves an opponent maliciously." I could be because a few players got serious injuries from having helmet pulled off. Can't remember good name but some inter county player got 30 stitches. Gleesons own fault. Sheer stupidity. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 13/08/2017 18:18:39 2032840 Link
Replying To daytona11: "Considering the damage that could be caused with a fella was struck after the helmet was pulled off I think it has to be a red card. When can there ever be a legitimate reason to rip a lads helmet off his head? Such a silly thing to do but deserves the punishment. And if he is banned I don't think we will ever see another helmet ripped off a head again." You also have to consider the damage that could be done to a players neck if the face guard is pulled. The rule is there to protect the players everyone knows it and what will happen if they do it. Also if everyone knows is you strike someone with the hurl it doesn't matter how hard you pull, you are on a straight red and not the length of the suspension is the issue. If the lads in the studio had there way referees would be allowed to make up the rules at the time - we have enough complaints about referees - here we have one who get the calls right and rather than blame the players for their own stupidity people want to blame the rules and possibly the ref from implementing them - I am sure at some stage we will hear the words uttered that the ref should have used common sense! zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 13/08/2017 18:38:09 2032848 Link
Austin Gleeson wasn't looking at the player so he might get off , well that's the reason the Galway player got off so hopefully he gets off. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/08/2017 18:40:41 2032851 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Austin Gleeson wasn't looking at the player so he might get off , well that's the reason the Galway player got off so hopefully he gets off." Galway player had his back to Tipp player and didn't pull the face guard. Austin Gleeson deliberately grabbed the Cork players face guard and pulled the helmet off. It should have been a straight red card - how would that have affected the game ? Waterford were lucky today the ref missed it. lowandhard (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 13/08/2017 20:24:19 2032894 Link
What ever way it goes hopefully it is good game. Though neighbourly rivals its is a respectful one, both players and fans. Prediction that it will not resemble the msf in anyway and Waterford to win comfortable. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts:88 - 05/08/2017 14:25:29 2029277 It was ridiculous how 90% of posters and pundits were writing them off (including the Galway captain). No chance without DeBurca. No team can win an All-Ireland with the sweep system but are now 70 minutes away. Derek McGrath does not have a clue etc. I think it was unwise and very unusual for Burke to make the two comments he made about Waterford. Now that will be one of the motivators. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 13/08/2017 20:59:17 2032914 Link
Replying To lowandhard: "Galway player had his back to Tipp player and didn't pull the face guard. Austin Gleeson deliberately grabbed the Cork players face guard and pulled the helmet off. It should have been a straight red card - how would that have affected the game ? Waterford were lucky today the ref missed it." Here we go again. Suspend everyone. Your player got away with it because he was not looking but now you want the Waterford player suspended. Common sense should be used and amend the rule. It is a yellow card offence when no injury occurs. I predicted when DeBurca got suspended that this would go off the charts and it has. It is a fox hunt now and slow motion makes it look worse. Austin was not looking when he did it if you want that to work but I say amend this stupid punishment. Conor Gleeson's was a yellow card for a tap on the leg and will be rescinded. You can not compare it with a stick tackle around the neck. If we can not win I will not begrudge Galway and glad you player was not suspended for a nothing. Lets play each other with a full deck. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 13/08/2017 21:11:18 2032921 Link
Replying To lowandhard: "Galway player had his back to Tipp player and didn't pull the face guard. Austin Gleeson deliberately grabbed the Cork players face guard and pulled the helmet off. It should have been a straight red card - how would that have affected the game ? Waterford were lucky today the ref missed it." No Austin's back was turned and his fingers got stuck in his helmet , complete accident nothing in it. Let's move on and get excited for Gleeson v Canning final. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/08/2017 21:14:44 2032926 Link
No sour grapes here. I have never boasted or gloated or bigged Cork up on this site. I have been posting here since 2002. However today only one team tried to play hurling. Damien Cahalane deserved to get sent off and that, and a mistake from our number 5,cost Cork a certain and deserved victory. Waterford are an abomination. Their style and that of Clare and Wexford are ruining the sport (Cork tried the very same shite last year.. Thankfully unsuccessfully). Still, best of luck to them in the final. They are not breaking the rules. I just hope that Galway win, for hurling sake. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/08/2017 21:22:53 2032933 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Here we go again. Suspend everyone. Your player got away with it because he was not looking but now you want the Waterford player suspended. Common sense should be used and amend the rule. It is a yellow card offence when no injury occurs. I predicted when DeBurca got suspended that this would go off the charts and it has. It is a fox hunt now and slow motion makes it look worse. Austin was not looking when he did it if you want that to work but I say amend this stupid punishment. Conor Gleeson's was a yellow card for a tap on the leg and will be rescinded. You can not compare it with a stick tackle around the neck. If we can not win I will not begrudge Galway and glad you player was not suspended for a nothing. Lets play each other with a full deck." You want to change the suspension based on injury caused to the player ? Rubbish. I agree that no player sets out to injury another but players get caught up in the heat of the moment. Rules are rules it's not like Austin Gleeson was unaware of this before today's game but in a rush of blood he grabbed Meades face guard and pulled the helmet off. (looking or not looking at it). He should not be available to Waterford for selection for the final. over to the CCCC now. Have your review and give the judgement. lowandhard (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 13/08/2017 21:29:24 2032936 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "No Austin's back was turned and his fingers got stuck in his helmet , complete accident nothing in it. Let's move on and get excited for Gleeson v Canning final." OK I can buy the he was not looking, that it was probably accidental, but this is just sheer fantasy "his fingers got stuck in his helmet" now your having a laugh. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 13/08/2017 21:32:58 2032937 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "No Austin's back was turned and his fingers got stuck in his helmet , complete accident nothing in it. Let's move on and get excited for Gleeson v Canning final." Fair enough. Let the CCCC have their review and cast their judgement. The rule can be looked at in the next congress. Let's see what Eddie, Brendan and Anthony say on SG now. lowandhard (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 13/08/2017 21:33:45 2032939 Link
Replying To lowandhard: "Fair enough. Let the CCCC have their review and cast their judgement. The rule can be looked at in the next congress. Let's see what Eddie, Brendan and Anthony say on SG now." I think the verdict from the TSG panel is pretty damning, and it looks worse everytime, kne w full well what he was doing - fingers getting stuck in the helmet - best one yet though. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 13/08/2017 22:15:45 2032961 Link
Replying To arock: "I think the verdict from the TSG panel is pretty damning, and it looks worse everytime, kne w full well what he was doing - fingers getting stuck in the helmet - best one yet though." It's pretty lame alright. I definitely think one of the Gleesons will get the reprieve. Waterford will want Austin. We will know where the CCCC stand by Thursday. lowandhard (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 13/08/2017 22:27:24 2032970 Link
Out of curiosity how many think he will be suspended and how many think nothing will be made of it? grellans89 (Galway) - Posts: 257 - 13/08/2017 22:30:17 2032973 Link
Pulling helmet should be a straight red. Declan fanning nearly had his ear ripped off by a wexford player swinging him around by the face guard. Rohanhorsemaste (Tipperary) - Posts: 26 - 13/08/2017 22:32:57 2032974 Link
Austin gleeson should be allowed play. Its a tough one and he wasnt looking at meade like tuohy wasnt looking at bonner. So if austin gets banned it will be madness on the part of the ccc. Conor gleeson on the other hand will probably have his suspension upheld. It is unfortunate for him but it was a hurley strike which is a straight red. The match was as good as over too. I reckon Galway should win it. Physically they match waterford. Theyre backs are more experienced than cork and all of the forwards are dangerous. Looking forward to all the match ups especially coen and barron. David burke for motm after his below par semi final display. fireinthebelly (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 13/08/2017 22:35:53 2032976 Link
De burca tangles with a guy and helmet straps come loose , gets a straight red card with all appeals shot down. Gleeson and touhy both completely remove an opponents helmet and no action. This rule is farcical and the inforcment of it is as bad. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 13/08/2017 23:07:04 2032992 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Here we go again. Suspend everyone. Your player got away with it because he was not looking but now you want the Waterford player suspended. Common sense should be used and amend the rule. It is a yellow card offence when no injury occurs. I predicted when DeBurca got suspended that this would go off the charts and it has. It is a fox hunt now and slow motion makes it look worse. Austin was not looking when he did it if you want that to work but I say amend this stupid punishment. Conor Gleeson's was a yellow card for a tap on the leg and will be rescinded. You can not compare it with a stick tackle around the neck. If we can not win I will not begrudge Galway and glad you player was not suspended for a nothing. Lets play each other with a full deck." Canuck is your suggestion now that suspensions should be based on whether players were hurt or not???? Really that us absolute madness, pulling a helmet off a player is highly dangerous...particularly if young lads are involved with under developed neck muscles the consequences could be life changing........we have the greatest game in the world and should be trying to protect it and encourage young lads to take up, play the game and adhere to the rules not bending them as 'no one was hurt'...... Conor Gleeson struck with the hurl and hasn't a chance of having his card rescinded........a moment of madness that unfortunately will cost him but this is a Waterford team that sail very close to the wind in the discipline stakes and looks like it may well come back to haunt them PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 13/08/2017 23:09:13 2032993 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "No sour grapes here. I have never boasted or gloated or bigged Cork up on this site. I have been posting here since 2002. However today only one team tried to play hurling. Damien Cahalane deserved to get sent off and that, and a mistake from our number 5,cost Cork a certain and deserved victory. Waterford are an abomination. Their style and that of Clare and Wexford are ruining the sport (Cork tried the very same shite last year.. Thankfully unsuccessfully). Still, best of luck to them in the final. They are not breaking the rules. I just hope that Galway win, for hurling sake." Waterford won, they were the better team overall. Cork could dish it out too. As a neutral Iam delighted with a unique Galway v Waterford Final. Cork have a young side, and will learn from today's game, with their minors reaching the All Ireland Final the future is looking bright for them. It is good for the game to see different teams reach the final. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1735 - 13/08/2017 23:15:48 2032996 Link