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Replying To farneymanabroad:  "That's a reasonably fair assessment, however if its tight coming down the stretch Dublin won't win because of fitness. I think Monaghan are as fit as anyone in Ireland I would always back Monaghan on fitness.
My concern as a Monaghan fan is the first half. Monaghan have underperformed in every first half this year with the exception of the Wexford match. If Monaghan can actually play to potential in the first half that would give us a chance.
- To perform in the first half the question for Malachy O'Rourke is; does he start the flair players (McCarthy and McCarron) or does he sacrifice them for more combative players in the first half. i think one of McCarthy or McCarron will start this time and one will be held in reserve. Personally I think Monaghan need to go for it and start both of them."
I'd agree with that. I was very impressed with Monaghan's fitness in Clones, the fittest team we played in the league I would say and their intensity was fierce. The pitch is also Croke Park like in Clones so they will cover the grass. Dublin need to start fast and send the Armagh and Tyrone fans on their way early. If Monaghan stay with us into the second half and get some momentum going then we will have a battle. I think the bench will be required to tip the balance in our favour by 3 to 4 points.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 01/08/2017 12:57:03    2027318

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I'm gonna make a bold call here and say Monaghan will win this game. Dublin have not blown anyone away with the exception of Roscommon in the league and westmeath in the championship. They will cover the handicap of 9 points quite easily if they don't win.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/08/2017 13:10:28    2027331

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Replying To AHP:  "215 clubs in Dublin? You are obviously including rugby and soccer clubs as well..."
The super clubs in Dublin have a lot more than 1 adult team, if you add all of them up you'd probably get 215 teams or somewhere around that figure

Galantis (USA) - Posts: 55 - 01/08/2017 13:16:33    2027336

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Some wild stats being thrown around here, suddenly Dublin are funded less per head of population than Monaghan- brilliant!

A suggestion, can you Dublin boys just send St Brigids seniors to play us on Saturday? They have a similar population base- 65,000- and about equal number of registered senior players. Im sure they are funded the same per head of population too. It would be a close one, certainly more entertaining than the 15 point turkey shoot in prospect.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 01/08/2017 13:32:42    2027350

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Happy with the draw, couldn't have been better infact. Monaghan will bring an intensity that is required at this stage of the championship and if the league is anything to go by big hits and a battle for every quater.

Without being arrogant, i expect Dublin to win just on the quality in the team and the bench, but will be hard fought and with some hairy moments. Monagahan have nothing to loose and have a right good go.

If Dublin progess this will be a great dress rehearsal for the big hots and defensive structure they can expect from Tyrone or Armagh or Mayo. And will be good for the corner backs having to do a job on two decent corner forward in McCarron and McManus if the they play Kerry and have to contend JOd and Geany.

Delighted this draw as it goes.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/08/2017 13:54:41    2027365

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Replying To Galantis:  "The super clubs in Dublin have a lot more than 1 adult team, if you add all of them up you'd probably get 215 teams or somewhere around that figure"
The more people playing Gaelic Football the better, spread the word in the USA.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 01/08/2017 14:03:27    2027372

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Some wild stats being thrown around here, suddenly Dublin are funded less per head of population than Monaghan- brilliant!

A suggestion, can you Dublin boys just send St Brigids seniors to play us on Saturday? They have a similar population base- 65,000- and about equal number of registered senior players. Im sure they are funded the same per head of population too. It would be a close one, certainly more entertaining than the 15 point turkey shoot in prospect."
Cork has far more registered GAA clubs than Dublin (nearly double in fact) and there are over half a million people in Cork. Would you be harping on about his stuff if you were playing Cork at the weekend?

Of course you wouldn't.

It's sad really. But carry on making excuses and blaming circumstances beyond your control and see how much that helps with development.

Dubfire (Dublin) - Posts: 9 - 01/08/2017 14:10:47    2027377

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Happy with the draw, couldn't have been better infact. Monaghan will bring an intensity that is required at this stage of the championship and if the league is anything to go by big hits and a battle for every quater.

Without being arrogant, i expect Dublin to win just on the quality in the team and the bench, but will be hard fought and with some hairy moments. Monagahan have nothing to loose and have a right good go.

If Dublin progess this will be a great dress rehearsal for the big hots and defensive structure they can expect from Tyrone or Armagh or Mayo. And will be good for the corner backs having to do a job on two decent corner forward in McCarron and McManus if the they play Kerry and have to contend JOd and Geany.

Delighted this draw as it goes."
No doubt, the future looks bright for yez. Only hope we can fulfill our part in the inevitable 3 in a row and perform to just the right level required at this stage, be nice to have the Dublin supporters clapping us on the back after. Looking forward to it already.

Only thing is we have no intention of fulfilling the prophecy. Whether we win or not, we believe we can and that's the first team in the championship Dublin will face that believes that, then another and another. The championship starts now for Dublin, don't pretend that Leinster was anything other than a stroll as usual.
The last real game you had you lost, to hell with the niceties

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 01/08/2017 14:18:42    2027386

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Replying To Galantis:  "The super clubs in Dublin have a lot more than 1 adult team, if you add all of them up you'd probably get 215 teams or somewhere around that figure"
Which has always been the case. Even through the baron years. This argument is becoming very, very tiresome.

On the game itself, fully expect a Monaghan to come roaring out of the traps. McManus hasnt been anywhere near his brilliant best this year but showed signs of it against Down with double figure score on the board.

Expect there to be a point or two in it either way at half time. Dublin certainly wont have it easy for the 70 mins and can't for the life of me seeing this playing out one sided

Dublin by 4

Hill147 (Dublin) - Posts: 16 - 01/08/2017 14:30:11    2027390

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Replying To Dubfire:  "Cork has far more registered GAA clubs than Dublin (nearly double in fact) and there are over half a million people in Cork. Would you be harping on about his stuff if you were playing Cork at the weekend?

Of course you wouldn't.

It's sad really. But carry on making excuses and blaming circumstances beyond your control and see how much that helps with development."
Good man. Cork have just over half the senior football clubs that Dublin have. They have loads of GAA clubs for sure...maybe that has something to do with the other code do u think? They are kind of big deal in that area. Cork footballers under achieve alright but only Galway, Dublin and Kerry have won sam more times than Cork.

I dont buy in to having more people automatically means more success but its a factor, along with a few others. Dublin have the people, the money and the correct management and CB support. Monaghan have decent funding (peanuts compared to Dublin but more than some contemporaries) and great management and good CB but defo dont have the clubs or people to fully compete toe to toe with a Dublin team at full tilt.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/08/2017 15:02:07    2027406

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Good man. Cork have just over half the senior football clubs that Dublin have. They have loads of GAA clubs for sure...maybe that has something to do with the other code do u think? They are kind of big deal in that area. Cork footballers under achieve alright but only Galway, Dublin and Kerry have won sam more times than Cork.

I dont buy in to having more people automatically means more success but its a factor, along with a few others. Dublin have the people, the money and the correct management and CB support. Monaghan have decent funding (peanuts compared to Dublin but more than some contemporaries) and great management and good CB but defo dont have the clubs or people to fully compete toe to toe with a Dublin team at full tilt."
Monaghan per head of population get twice the amount of funding than dublin.
Kilkenny and Kerry are small populated counties and have more trophies than dublin on their cabinet wall.
The biggest sport played by yougsters in dublin is soccer followed by gaa and rugby.
The reason for the rise in dublin's quality players is that more south side ypougsters are now playing football which has mostly come from rugby areas in the past.

heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 01/08/2017 16:11:07    2027459

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Lets not go down the road of resources again ... we all know Dublin have a professional set up compared to the rest.As in their players are treated like pro's even on a daily basis with Jobs ,cars,diets,time off ,sponsorship deals etc etc etc....

They must take credit though for putting the money into the resources at all level's ...yes they have the money but the men at the top are using it wisely.

Thats the standard other counties must try to get to with it will be hard without the millions of euro but thats the lie of the land.

Dublin should be applauded for taking it to this level they were getting slated in the late 90s and early 00s for not being competitive.

Keep this thread for discussion about the actual game

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 01/08/2017 16:13:41    2027466

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With mcaulrey back in midfield and cooper back in position expect dublin to go up a gear and bring more pace into the game. expect o gara to start off with macker coming in the second half. Its going to be a tough ask for monaghan to win and playing a fresh team will make it that bit harder. with the tyrone and aramagh supporting you it will be a great atmosphere but dublin will come out comfortably

heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 01/08/2017 16:30:38    2027475

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "No doubt, the future looks bright for yez. Only hope we can fulfill our part in the inevitable 3 in a row and perform to just the right level required at this stage, be nice to have the Dublin supporters clapping us on the back after. Looking forward to it already.

Only thing is we have no intention of fulfilling the prophecy. Whether we win or not, we believe we can and that's the first team in the championship Dublin will face that believes that, then another and another. The championship starts now for Dublin, don't pretend that Leinster was anything other than a stroll as usual.
The last real game you had you lost, to hell with the niceties"
Why do you believe you can beat Dublin? You should have lost to Carlow. When's the last time Monaghan beat anyone of note?

HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 01/08/2017 16:31:38    2027477

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Replying To BigJohn.6_8:  "Lets not go down the road of resources again ... we all know Dublin have a professional set up compared to the rest.As in their players are treated like pro's even on a daily basis with Jobs ,cars,diets,time off ,sponsorship deals etc etc etc....

They must take credit though for putting the money into the resources at all level's ...yes they have the money but the men at the top are using it wisely.

Thats the standard other counties must try to get to with it will be hard without the millions of euro but thats the lie of the land.

Dublin should be applauded for taking it to this level they were getting slated in the late 90s and early 00s for not being competitive.

Keep this thread for discussion about the actual game"
Thats the exact point I just made. Money, great set up and plenty of clubs. All the great and successful counties have it. Dublin more so.

Agree with the last poster on the point re sth side to an extent. There is still some distance to go. Where I live Cuala is the club - its a massive catchment area and there are loads of people who couldnt care less about GAA. I watched the final in a pub in Dun Loaghaire in 2015 and had to sit down the back beside by the pool table to keep the majority watching soccer happy. Hopefully the interest doesnt get too high in GAA or the blue machine will be unstoppable.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/08/2017 16:33:30    2027478

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was watching the all ireland semi of dublin v donegal 2014 last night on tele..its hard to believe thats the last game this dublin team lost in championship football..from what ive seen this year so far dublin seem to be on the wane a little bit but that could be very deceptive as they may have the luxury of not peaking until august and may be planning accordingly towards this..as for the game on saturday its very hard to look pass dublin...its cliche but goals win matches and in saying that its absolutely imperative that monaghan don't concede a goal in the first half as when one dublin goal goes in the floodgates tend to open afterwards whether it be another goal or a string of 3 or 4 points on the bounce and suddenly its a 5+ point lead the dubs have and realistically the game as good as won..monaghan have the potential to put it upto this dublin team.as they did in the league..theyll need the absolute hard graft and commitment of all 21 players that take to the pitch and try to bully this team and keep it low scoring,,infairness in the league they kept dublin to 17 scores 2 goals and 15 points,,they have the potential,cut out goals keep them under 17 points you are halfway there..but obviously they must not negate their own attack in trying to achieve this which will be difficult and upto malachy to sort out a plan..itll be intruiging to watch the first 10 mins as in my view dublin could well bolt from the blocks and have a 3+ point lead by that time..if that happens.game over

pidge (Cork) - Posts: 543 - 01/08/2017 16:48:10    2027487

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Replying To HurlingSnob:  "Why do you believe you can beat Dublin? You should have lost to Carlow. When's the last time Monaghan beat anyone of note?"
It's not what I believe in that matters it's what the players believe that counts and this group of Monaghan players believe they can beat anyone. It's why they are playing (and winning) in Div 1. If the match is tight and you don't believe then you haven't a hope especially against Dublin.

What I do believe is that we will test Dublin like they haven't been tested in the championship to date. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but last week and the way it went was just the preparation we needed to do just that.

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 01/08/2017 17:00:28    2027502

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "It's not what I believe in that matters it's what the players believe that counts and this group of Monaghan players believe they can beat anyone. It's why they are playing (and winning) in Div 1. If the match is tight and you don't believe then you haven't a hope especially against Dublin.

What I do believe is that we will test Dublin like they haven't been tested in the championship to date. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but last week and the way it went was just the preparation we needed to do just that."
Agree I think this won't be the formality that everyone believes - for Monaghan it's do or die there's no second chance so they will leave everything on pitch and whether that's good enough remains to be seen - but it will certainly be Dublins biggest test to date although that wouldn't be difficult!

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 01/08/2017 17:18:17    2027515

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Replying To HurlingSnob:  "Why do you believe you can beat Dublin? You should have lost to Carlow. When's the last time Monaghan beat anyone of note?"
Hilarious. If u were at the game in Carlow u would have seen how comfortable the win was in the end. We had to make changes and use our bench and tire the Carlow defence in the second half. We never hit full speed in that game. Does that sound familiar? It should do. Its exactly how the Dublin V Carlow game went.

There is a chance we can beat Dublin but its slim. We need to start much quicker than we have in any previous game and put Dublin on the back foot while all the time trying to prevent the early big scores going in from Dublin.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/08/2017 17:28:39    2027524

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Agree I think this won't be the formality that everyone believes - for Monaghan it's do or die there's no second chance so they will leave everything on pitch and whether that's good enough remains to be seen - but it will certainly be Dublins biggest test to date although that wouldn't be difficult!"
There's no second chance for Dublin either!

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 01/08/2017 17:38:19    2027527

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