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Replying To jimbodub:  "
Replying To extranjero:  "[quote=jimbodub:  "[quote=extranjero:  "You see the term "True Gael" banded around.. this fella embodieds all that is good and found within that term.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 17596 - 15/02/2018 12:25:17


Enlighten us so Jimbo, what exactly is a "True Gael", how would you define one, and how did you arrive at such a definition? For example, how would I recognize a False Gael?"
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Aaaahhhh Jimbo, don't be like that! Look it, we've all the "turk" cut and rocks kicked away down here in Wexford, so all we've left to do is await your no doubt fascinating insights on True Gaelism. Don't leave us hangin Dawg!!"]I think you've got your wires crossed a wee bit

Apologies for my last reply and perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, my bad.

I don't usually spoon feed posters but there you go."]No crossed wires Jimbo. I'm just curious what a true Gael is (you used the term, so I'm assuming you know what it means), but you appear unable to answer.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 15/02/2018 19:04:53    2077214

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Replying To Cupotay:  "A lot business lingo, strategy and money talk there. Very disheartening post. Premiership nonsense.

If he doesn't want to give an interview, good luck to him. His interviews are pretty banal at the best of times."
It may be disheartening mate, but the game has and is changing its evolved to teetering on the brink, of all most professional set ups and sponsorship, fundraising, commercial arms and their are nuances within these, you adapt of you get left behind, each county needs maximise its capabilities whatever they may be to give themselves the best platform to compete. Its sad in a way but inevitable to create the edge.

The game is changing and counties are adapting to a new environment to raise funds whether that be sponsorship, fundraising, grants etc. Those that dont adapt get left behind, sad as it may be its a well trodden part of sport.

Its an interesting debate, looking at the correlation of success to means, if you look at this decades winners both Dublin and Kerry do very well from their broad ability to finance and Jim McGuiness raised a lot of money in short space of time at Donegal for an All Ireland winnng playform. Im not saying money = success as i dont think it does but its a curious question and certainly can provide a platform to have a competitive edge, whether that is right or wrong opinions will differ, but its inevitable. Its evident throughout the association, broadly with pay for watch TV, sponserhip and fundraising at intercounty level hitting corporate levels even players looking for a share with testimonials, books etc.

The nuances and power this creates, is an interesting facet, which was my point really.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1278 - 16/02/2018 10:18:31    2077338

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Replying To TheUsername:  "It may be disheartening mate, but the game has and is changing its evolved to teetering on the brink, of all most professional set ups and sponsorship, fundraising, commercial arms and their are nuances within these, you adapt of you get left behind, each county needs maximise its capabilities whatever they may be to give themselves the best platform to compete. Its sad in a way but inevitable to create the edge.

The game is changing and counties are adapting to a new environment to raise funds whether that be sponsorship, fundraising, grants etc. Those that dont adapt get left behind, sad as it may be its a well trodden part of sport.

Its an interesting debate, looking at the correlation of success to means, if you look at this decades winners both Dublin and Kerry do very well from their broad ability to finance and Jim McGuiness raised a lot of money in short space of time at Donegal for an All Ireland winnng playform. Im not saying money = success as i dont think it does but its a curious question and certainly can provide a platform to have a competitive edge, whether that is right or wrong opinions will differ, but its inevitable. Its evident throughout the association, broadly with pay for watch TV, sponserhip and fundraising at intercounty level hitting corporate levels even players looking for a share with testimonials, books etc.

The nuances and power this creates, is an interesting facet, which was my point really."
Fair play, good post. Resources / finance / commercialism are becoming more of a factor and the growing disparity between counties is becoming larger.

My general view of this is that it cannot be left to county board level, or even provincial level entirely to solve the problem. We cannot let the free market be the only arbiter as there are so many factors that make it unbalanced and in that model people /counties invariably get left behind (as you state). I think GAA at central level need to take steps to put in place an egalitarian approach to ensure all counties can be competitive in whatever level they find themselves in, and have the incentive to improve. While also maximizing the commercial opportunities of the GAA as a whole.

This could involve:
1) More professional help from croke park for county boards on how to run their operations. Possibly even appointing experienced CEOs to counties. Ensuring standardization of the GAA across the country. A boy or girl in Leitrim should be able to get the same level of coaching as someone in Kerry or whatever.

2) Equalization of the funding pot and more control on how counties are spending their funds. lots of factors to consider here, population, registered players, counties own revenue generation capabilities etc. but whatever the formula is, there is a core policy of centralizing funding, with it being granted to counties to ensure point 1 above works well

Getting off point here I suppose, and I don't want this to read as an anti Dublin thing, it is not intended that way. The issue is much larger than Dublin.

Cupotay (Donegal) - Posts: 31 - 16/02/2018 11:22:56    2077358

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Replying To Richieq:  "As I understand his beef is with accessing DVD's of matches for analysis from RTE. Now don't get me wrong but Dublin have a person to do every job for this team bar wipe their backsides after they go to the toilet, and maybe there is someone for that job too. With everything at their disposal can they not arrange to have their matches recorded by their own personnel, other counties have their own camera men, certainly I know Meath and Donegal do, so why should RTÉ provide this service to the Dubs if not everyone?? Sounds like a bit of an excuse to me now"
It's known as "entitlement", Richie.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 613 - 18/02/2018 07:49:00    2077825

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Replying To Cupotay:  "Fair play, good post. Resources / finance / commercialism are becoming more of a factor and the growing disparity between counties is becoming larger.

My general view of this is that it cannot be left to county board level, or even provincial level entirely to solve the problem. We cannot let the free market be the only arbiter as there are so many factors that make it unbalanced and in that model people /counties invariably get left behind (as you state). I think GAA at central level need to take steps to put in place an egalitarian approach to ensure all counties can be competitive in whatever level they find themselves in, and have the incentive to improve. While also maximizing the commercial opportunities of the GAA as a whole.

This could involve:
1) More professional help from croke park for county boards on how to run their operations. Possibly even appointing experienced CEOs to counties. Ensuring standardization of the GAA across the country. A boy or girl in Leitrim should be able to get the same level of coaching as someone in Kerry or whatever.

2) Equalization of the funding pot and more control on how counties are spending their funds. lots of factors to consider here, population, registered players, counties own revenue generation capabilities etc. but whatever the formula is, there is a core policy of centralizing funding, with it being granted to counties to ensure point 1 above works well

Getting off point here I suppose, and I don't want this to read as an anti Dublin thing, it is not intended that way. The issue is much larger than Dublin."
Most counties now have full time CEO's / County secretaries. In fact the numbers of full time paid people at County level in many counties is quite high with GPO's, GDO's, office staff etc. The problem is they are often appointed from within or in terms of coaching not doing the job at schools & club level as they are off chasing glory with development squads & county squads. In contrast the full time staff at Connacht Rugby for example are doing amazing work with promotion of their games, their fundraising & commercial side is top class & their schools coaching is making inroads & very professional. Ask Principals of schools who will give you the feedback on this. The problem within Gaa is the politics & no one is accountable, it mirrors the worst in political life in Ireland.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 594 - 18/02/2018 10:36:12    2077852

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Replying To ballydalane:  "It's known as "entitlement", Richie."
I suppose that's what M.Harte,
Martin O Neill and J. Gavin all have then apart from being successful managers. Your contribution is as usual invaluable.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1479 - 18/02/2018 13:11:33    2077888

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Replying To ballydalane:  "It's known as "entitlement", Richie."
What would you label getting into other managers faces and being sent to the stands?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 17963 - 18/02/2018 13:53:16    2077895

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Replying To Richieq:  "As I understand his beef is with accessing DVD's of matches for analysis from RTE. Now don't get me wrong but Dublin have a person to do every job for this team bar wipe their backsides after they go to the toilet, and maybe there is someone for that job too. With everything at their disposal can they not arrange to have their matches recorded by their own personnel, other counties have their own camera men, certainly I know Meath and Donegal do, so why should RTÉ provide this service to the Dubs if not everyone?? Sounds like a bit of an excuse to me now"
Your post sounds like more opinion than factual.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4454 - 18/02/2018 15:18:27    2077910

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Replying To jimbodub:  "What would you label getting into other managers faces and being sent to the stands?"
At least Cody shows a bit of passion and personality.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 613 - 18/02/2018 21:37:30    2078118

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Replying To ballydalane:  "At least Cody shows a bit of passion and personality."
It's known as " showboating " Richie.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1479 - 18/02/2018 22:43:55    2078165

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Replying To jimbodub:  "What would you label getting into other managers faces and being sent to the stands?"
A True Gael?

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 18/02/2018 23:51:54    2078188

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Replying To ballydalane:  "At least Cody shows a bit of passion and personality."
It's called "showboating" Richie.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1479 - 19/02/2018 07:53:48    2078208

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Replying To ballydalane:  "At least Cody shows a bit of passion and personality."
I see Jim Gavin gave up a free Sunday yesterday to go down Kilkenny and coach the Kilkenny football development squad, passion and personality indeed.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1278 - 19/02/2018 11:37:00    2078280

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I see Jim Gavin gave up a free Sunday yesterday to go down Kilkenny and coach the Kilkenny football development squad, passion and personality indeed."
Ha.. how timely

He's a "true Gael" alright ;)

Joking aside.. that sort of act sums up Gavin and I'm not all surprised. He also helps out with his sons U-12 hurling team

Guess he felt that he was almost "entitled" to do as much for the sport in Kilkenny.

He's a sound chap and bends over backwards for the people on the ground.

To hell with the media and those that have had any sort of contact with Jim after a match etc will tell you that he's a gent and goes out of his way for any fan.

The suggestions that he lacks passion is just highly ignorant.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 17963 - 19/02/2018 12:29:09    2078306

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Actions speak louder than words and will always do so.

Think that sums up Gavin. He gives very little to a hungry media bunch looking for any loose thread to pull.

He's made their jobs very hard and hence the negative noise directed at him in the media. They know they won't get what they need and want..

Pity some hoover up their bitterness and self serving frustration as fact.

Give em nothing Jim and don't raise to their bitter bait.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 17963 - 19/02/2018 12:40:57    2078319

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Actions speak louder than words and will always do so.

Think that sums up Gavin. He gives very little to a hungry media bunch looking for any loose thread to pull.

He's made their jobs very hard and hence the negative noise directed at him in the media. They know they won't get what they need and want..

Pity some hoover up their bitterness and self serving frustration as fact.

Give em nothing Jim and don't raise to their bitter bait."
what negative press?

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 514 - 19/02/2018 14:27:18    2078365

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