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Replying To Richieq:  "True, the biggest crowds I remember in the place were against Galway and Kildare in 2011 and the famous qualifier against Louth in 2002, all those games saw crowds of 17-20'000 and I remember no issues at any of those games save the usual que for the jacks etc, I don't know how the original capacity of near 30'000 was ever arrived at or how it was arrived at but the place never came near that sort of crowd even in our pomp so a fit for purpose and comfortable 20K capacity would be fantastic. I think Leinster Council may be starting to see sense in redeveloping an existing and accessible county ground that has the size and scope required as PT does, as opposed to building a new stadium on a green field site with all the associated costs that would bring. The Dubs need there own new home but let them worry about that, a revamped PT could cater for north and west Leinster and indeed south Ulster in terms of neutral provincial and qualifier matches and would be a no brainer against a new build on the M50. The apparent support of Louth in this cause is most welcome and I'm sure Louth supporters would prefer a trip to Navan over somewhere like Parnell Park."
I think all old "capacity" figures are imaginative guesswork. For example someone has optimistically stated here that Ballycran's pitch has a capacity of 5000: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballycran_GAA .

Anyone who has ever been to Ballycran can tell you it's nothing different to any old club pitch other than a minute covered terrace on one side that might fit 100: http://www.sportsfile.com/id/144728/.

Same with Páirc Tailteann, a 20'000 seater stadium wouldn't be a 10'000 reduction in capacity, since the old stadium realistically never held 30'000 anyway.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 14/12/2016 13:46:32    1940073

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Parking......access ....anyone considered these small things

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 14/12/2016 14:02:35    1940079

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Can anyone confirm they definitely speaking of pt, or is it navan in general??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/12/2016 23:09:50    1940218

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Still and all permission will be got meath co co will want a new stand before the old one gets any worse

glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1108 - 15/12/2016 08:30:24    1940233

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Can anyone confirm they definitely speaking of pt, or is it navan in general??"
Do you have reason to believe it might not be the PT site?

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 15/12/2016 09:28:59    1940241

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Can anyone confirm they definitely speaking of pt, or is it navan in general??"
From what I can see, they are definitely talking about re-developing PT rather than an alternative venue in Navan (I think that's what you were asking).
However apart from that, everything is a bit vague at the minute. All that has happened is that Croke Park and the Leinster Council have given permission to the county board to look for planning permission for the stadium (I wasn't aware that we needed their permission, but I guess it must be so). There is talk about it being a venue for games in North Leinster, but no actual commitment from either Croke Park or the Leinster Council to use it. Louth have indicated that they will use it for their home games, but I presume that means championship only, and I also guess that they might change their mind if they are drawn at home to us! There also does not appear to be any firm commitment from either Croke Park or the Leinster Council to putting funds towards its redevelopment.

I guess I am just cynical in my old age, but I won't believe that it is happening until I see the cranes in place. I also have my doubts about the commitment of the higher powers to actually utilising the venue. Dublin are probably going to go ahead with their own stadium, possibly in Lucan. If there is two projects going ahead at the same time, where do reckon the funds will be diverted to? And given Meath's experience with the fixing of Leinster U-21 games in particular, if there are competing venues in Navan and Dublin, where do you think the games will be fixed for?

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 15/12/2016 09:34:57    1940243

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "From what I can see, they are definitely talking about re-developing PT rather than an alternative venue in Navan (I think that's what you were asking).
However apart from that, everything is a bit vague at the minute. All that has happened is that Croke Park and the Leinster Council have given permission to the county board to look for planning permission for the stadium (I wasn't aware that we needed their permission, but I guess it must be so). There is talk about it being a venue for games in North Leinster, but no actual commitment from either Croke Park or the Leinster Council to use it. Louth have indicated that they will use it for their home games, but I presume that means championship only, and I also guess that they might change their mind if they are drawn at home to us! There also does not appear to be any firm commitment from either Croke Park or the Leinster Council to putting funds towards its redevelopment.

I guess I am just cynical in my old age, but I won't believe that it is happening until I see the cranes in place. I also have my doubts about the commitment of the higher powers to actually utilising the venue. Dublin are probably going to go ahead with their own stadium, possibly in Lucan. If there is two projects going ahead at the same time, where do reckon the funds will be diverted to? And given Meath's experience with the fixing of Leinster U-21 games in particular, if there are competing venues in Navan and Dublin, where do you think the games will be fixed for?"
Yes that's what I was asking. The only reason I did ask was the couple of articles I had read all stated 20,000 stadium in NAVAN, I didn't read anything about pt, now it must be, I'm just very cynical when I comes to politicians and particularly former politicians. You have to more look at what they not saying rather than what they said .
But ill take I at face value for the moment. But the planning permission could be a obstacle , heavy machinery on brews hill? And other areas, will be interesting to see if anyone objects

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/12/2016 15:41:20    1940363

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "Do you have reason to believe it might not be the PT site?"
Just noel Dempsey never mentioned pt, just referred to navan.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/12/2016 15:43:34    1940365

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "From what I can see, they are definitely talking about re-developing PT rather than an alternative venue in Navan (I think that's what you were asking).
However apart from that, everything is a bit vague at the minute. All that has happened is that Croke Park and the Leinster Council have given permission to the county board to look for planning permission for the stadium (I wasn't aware that we needed their permission, but I guess it must be so). There is talk about it being a venue for games in North Leinster, but no actual commitment from either Croke Park or the Leinster Council to use it. Louth have indicated that they will use it for their home games, but I presume that means championship only, and I also guess that they might change their mind if they are drawn at home to us! There also does not appear to be any firm commitment from either Croke Park or the Leinster Council to putting funds towards its redevelopment.

I guess I am just cynical in my old age, but I won't believe that it is happening until I see the cranes in place. I also have my doubts about the commitment of the higher powers to actually utilising the venue. Dublin are probably going to go ahead with their own stadium, possibly in Lucan. If there is two projects going ahead at the same time, where do reckon the funds will be diverted to? And given Meath's experience with the fixing of Leinster U-21 games in particular, if there are competing venues in Navan and Dublin, where do you think the games will be fixed for?"
The Co Board plans are no different to a club development, certain levels of GAA approval are required prior to getting any funding or borrowings. Hence the presentations to Croke Park. We are fortunate to be able to call on people of the calibre of Noel Dempsey and Liam Mulvihall in particular. We're very good at bashing the co Board at times on this forum, but we should recognise that they are showing a level of professionalism and vision that has long been absent from our Co Board.
On the matter of proximity to Dublin, neighbouring counties like Louth and Cavan have been approach for their support too. If Louth were to play someone in close proximity to Meath, Navan would become a contender as a venue. Good work so far but a long way to go, but positive first steps taken.

manballall (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 15/12/2016 16:42:08    1940385

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Replying To manballall:  "The Co Board plans are no different to a club development, certain levels of GAA approval are required prior to getting any funding or borrowings. Hence the presentations to Croke Park. We are fortunate to be able to call on people of the calibre of Noel Dempsey and Liam Mulvihall in particular. We're very good at bashing the co Board at times on this forum, but we should recognise that they are showing a level of professionalism and vision that has long been absent from our Co Board.
On the matter of proximity to Dublin, neighbouring counties like Louth and Cavan have been approach for their support too. If Louth were to play someone in close proximity to Meath, Navan would become a contender as a venue. Good work so far but a long way to go, but positive first steps taken."
Calibre? 3 words , e voting machines. Enough said.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/12/2016 20:14:58    1940416

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In fairness, any time stadium redevelopment is mentioned, people go "demand funding off Leinster Council+Croke Park" to pay for it. If you're going to ask for money off them they're damn well going to make sure they have a say in what you do with it.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 16/12/2016 00:06:39    1940459

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Will PT have to be closed during redevelopment? If so can we see Meath playing home games elsewhere for a year or so?

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 16/12/2016 09:10:57    1940476

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Reckon they be in drogheda to keep Louth onside

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 16/12/2016 09:51:51    1940493

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "In fairness, any time stadium redevelopment is mentioned, people go "demand funding off Leinster Council+Croke Park" to pay for it. If you're going to ask for money off them they're damn well going to make sure they have a say in what you do with it."
Absolutely - if they are going to put in funds, they have every right to have a say in where the money is going. And to be honest, after the fiasco of the PT floodlights, I would be quite happy to have Croke Park keeping a very close watch on the county board to see where the money is being spent.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 16/12/2016 09:52:15    1940494

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "Will PT have to be closed during redevelopment? If so can we see Meath playing home games elsewhere for a year or so?"
That will depend of the scale of the re-development. Pitch might have to be re-aligned etc. so time will tell.

I for one would like to see more games elsewhere, Ashbourne, Simonstown are all good venues. The main pitch in Abbotstown also has a stand which would be ideal considering the pitch is an exact replica of croke park.

begining (UK) - Posts: 300 - 16/12/2016 11:34:17    1940512

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "Absolutely - if they are going to put in funds, they have every right to have a say in where the money is going. And to be honest, after the fiasco of the PT floodlights, I would be quite happy to have Croke Park keeping a very close watch on the county board to see where the money is being spent."
Agreed, with past form, I actually want to see croke park behind the money and only them writing the cheques

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/12/2016 13:21:22    1940540

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Replying To Richieq:  "True, the biggest crowds I remember in the place were against Galway and Kildare in 2011 and the famous qualifier against Louth in 2002, all those games saw crowds of 17-20'000 and I remember no issues at any of those games save the usual que for the jacks etc, I don't know how the original capacity of near 30'000 was ever arrived at or how it was arrived at but the place never came near that sort of crowd even in our pomp so a fit for purpose and comfortable 20K capacity would be fantastic. I think Leinster Council may be starting to see sense in redeveloping an existing and accessible county ground that has the size and scope required as PT does, as opposed to building a new stadium on a green field site with all the associated costs that would bring. The Dubs need there own new home but let them worry about that, a revamped PT could cater for north and west Leinster and indeed south Ulster in terms of neutral provincial and qualifier matches and would be a no brainer against a new build on the M50. The apparent support of Louth in this cause is most welcome and I'm sure Louth supporters would prefer a trip to Navan over somewhere like Parnell Park."
Remember gates been opened way early because of the crowds outside in 2002

brownie (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 08/01/2017 08:21:12    1943899

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So I see as per the Meath Chronicle that the floodlights taken down in 2015 are now for sale lock, stock and barrel. Poles, lights and transformer boxes are all on the market for clubs to buy, be a great addition for some club out there, one can only assume we will have brand new super lights when the place is renovated..........

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 08/02/2017 18:06:08    1953729

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Replying To Richieq:  "So I see as per the Meath Chronicle that the floodlights taken down in 2015 are now for sale lock, stock and barrel. Poles, lights and transformer boxes are all on the market for clubs to buy, be a great addition for some club out there, one can only assume we will have brand new super lights when the place is renovated.........."
Hopefully this is part of the overall plan for the renovation.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 10/02/2017 10:27:54    1954286

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"Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 10/02/2017 12:16:58    1954334

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