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Gough Speaks Out Against Shamefull Slurs - 7 Like(s)
Replying To TheUsername: "Objectively i think he had a poor game the first game and was spooked, also think the semi and abuse he got in 16 played on his mind to, was horrible to see. Thought Connor Lane in the second game was the worst ive seen in a long time, although Maurice Deegan put in a really awful performance for Tyrone in the semi as well this year.
Refs can be got at if that is your way, but you have the hope quality on the pitch will always tell and you dont have to rely on the off field dark arts. I think over all it lowers the esteem and dignity of a county." Yes, it was most unfortunate that Dublin had a referee removed - actually REMOVED - ahead of the Dublin Laois game in 2007.
It lowered the esteem and dignity of the county.
Aibrean (National) - 03/12/2019 19:21:03
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Is David Clifford The Best Footballer In The Country Right Now? - 6 Like(s)
Replying To shoulderghost: "Clifford isn't even going to be named as YOUNG Footballer of the Year in 2019. His teammate Sean O'Shea will win that. So where are we even going with the initial question?
Clifford won't make the All-Star 15. If the All-Stars were extended to a panel of 21, he'd scrape into my panel as no. 20. So yes, he's in the top 20 players in Ireland; not the top 15; and quite far away from number 1." You do not seem to realise that Clifford won both YFOTY and an All-Star in 2018.
Aibrean (National) - 24/10/2019 17:21:36
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Mayo V Dublin - 6 Like(s)
Would it be OK if the referee for this game was from Galway and living in Castlebar?
Simple enough question.
Aibrean (National) - 05/08/2019 11:45:48
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Is David Clifford The Best Footballer In The Country Right Now? - 5 Like(s)
Replying To TheUsername: "I think Daivd would be in the panel but i think he would find it hard to get a starting game ahead of Con, Mannion and Rock certainly, thats before you look at the competition on the bench and i think he would get minutes certainly. I mean thats at his current level and what he produced this year. He would be seen at Dublin as a work in progress and would be used accordingly, just my opinion mind, other Dubs may feel differently. Sean O Shea i think would crack the Dublin forward line though it would be big competition, O Sullivan would have a shot in the back line, no one else from Kerry i think is breaking the Dublin starting team.
That said i do think if he was under the Dublin set up he would be further along in his development and would be a different player, so im open minded.
Thats fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion on stats, Adam Tyrall, scored more then either Con or David, Connor Cox, scored more pro rata per game, that just to mention a couple with better returns then both, by your perspective looking at scoring stats in those cases as an absolute, means they are better forwards/players then either Con or David. Its why i mention stats can often be a cod." So possibly no Kerry player would get on the Dublin team.....
I accept we all tend to be biased in favour of our own counties but, I think you have really lost all credibility there.
And, elsewhere, you say that Kerry are not the second best team in the country.....maybe you should take a little break for a while?
Aibrean (National) - 24/10/2019 10:16:17
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 5 Like(s)
Replying To Joxer: "I think now that Kerry's plan has succeeded and they have sowed the seeds of doubt, if anything Gough may be inclined to give Kerry the soft ones to almost prove that he has no bias towards Dublin. We may yet witness a Kerry Cormac display from the Meath man, which is exactly what Eamo and Aido want, but Gough is a top class referee and I do think he is above all of that. It's just a shame that Kerry men, who should know better, saw fit to question his integrity in such a public manner. Surely the KCB, if they had concerns, could have expressed these to the powers that be outside of the public spotlight. The guy is a teacher for God's sake." You must be quite shocked to read the story about Kerry referee Aidan Mangan being replaced at Dublin's request in 2007?
Aibrean (National) - 15/08/2019 10:53:16
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 5 Like(s)
Replying To Dubh_linn: "Gas how there was never an issue with the referees when we weren't winning or was it that the referee were just better back then. Yeah, that must it, silly me." I could have sworn Dublin had 'an issue' with a referee in 2007 ? Or, maybe I'm somehow mistaken?
Hold on ! I've checked: Dublin actually had an appointed referee REMOVED in 2007.
Aibrean (National) - 17/08/2019 22:14:59
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 5 Like(s)
Replying To brisbane: "Deegan was judged on his poor performance he gave kerry very soft frees he had a huge impact on the outcome.. Gough is being judged on his personnal life by the kerry media" Gough is being judged on his personnal life by the kerry media
Can you give an example, Please?
Aibrean (National) - 18/08/2019 11:05:30
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 4 Like(s)
Replying To Aibrean: "From hoganstand.com 4th July 2007
Kearns' club-mate to referee Leinster final
July 04, 2007
Surprise has been expressed at the appointment of Kerry referee Aidan Mangan to take charge of Sunday week's Leinster SFC final between Dublin and Laois. Mangan hails from the Austin Stacks club in Tralee, the same club that Laois manager Liam Kearns played for, and this has prompted some Dublin supporters to question his appointment. One of the most experienced referees in the game at the minute, Mangan previously took charge of Dublin's drawn All-Ireland quarter-final with Tyrone two years ago, and was also the 'man in the middle' when Laois - then managed by Mick O'Dwyer - beat the Metropolitans in the 2003 Leinster semi-final." Forgot to say that, of course, Mangan was stood down as ref. He was replaced by Michael Hughes of Tyrone.
Aibrean (National) - 15/08/2019 10:50:12
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Team Of The Decade ( Eir Sport ) Style - 4 Like(s)
Hard to see how Diarmuid Connnolly squeezed in: he has only 1 All Star, Colm Cooper and Paul Mannion have 3.
I think Aidan O Shea has a good case: only 7 players have more All Stars.
Aibrean (National) - 26/12/2019 15:49:42
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Mayo V Kerry - 4 Like(s)
Replying To TheHermit: "Yep in first half I think he gave a few strange decisions to Kerry but you are right, he seemed to try and over-balance in the second half for Mayo! As some have mentioned, he seemed to bring every single free forward and the Mayo players were certainty let take much more the the allowed distance.
But overall he did ok and the game was not decided by any refereeing decision." The general consensus - certainly among Kerry fans - was that Hurson was poor. He left some outrageous fouls go and did not tick anyone for the numerous Mayo fouls in the first 30 minutes or so. Hard to agree with 'Brian Gavin who says in today's Irish Examiner that 'Sean Hurson had an excellent game'.
Sadly, it is increasingly more difficult to see any connection between the rule book and game as played. Here is an extract from the rule book: A tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge is forbidden.
And, frees should be brought forward by 13 metres - yes, thirteen - not the 30 metres or so that Hurson was allowing.
Aibrean (National) - 15/07/2019 22:45:07
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Can Gaelic Football (Handball?) Be Saved? - 4 Like(s)
The mess into which football has 'developed' is highlighted by the recent report by the Standing Committee on Playing Rules - see link below. The main points are:
• 421 handpasses v 130 kickpasses per game.
• Approx. 82% of kickpasses are uncontested.
• Approx 35% of footpasses go backwards.
• Only 41% of forward kickpasses travel more than 15m.
• 23 passes (kickpasses + handpasses) to the goalkeeper in 2023 championship.
• Only 6.6 high catches per game of which 60% were uncontested.
• Number of attacking marks/game is 2.7
• 64% of kickouts are uncontested.
• In 78% of cases there was no press on the kickout.
So, the current game is what we called long ago 'a kick around' (no marking) except that it is not even a kick around, it's 'a handpass around'.
These are the facts. Next question is - the difficult part - what do we do about it?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/statistical-analysis-report-reveals-the-essence-of-modern-gaelic-football/
Aibrean (National) - 13/10/2023 10:27:28
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All Stars 2019 - 4 Like(s)
Replying To catch22: "Argument, there's no argument at all.
The panel that adjudged O Shea to be the young player of the year.
Sure there's no argument about it lad it's all done and dusted. You don't have to take my word on it it's their opinion that counts.
O Shea got his award on merit for his contribution over the year. That's why it's called " young player of the year "
QED." Sure, if 'it's their opinion that counts' why are posters discussing these subjects at all? The fools, offering opinions when the whole thing is settled by the 'panel'. Thanks for clearing that up. Let's close down the forum; there's no need for any discussion. It's all settled by the 'panel'.
You started by saying that O Shea was "definitely" better than Clifford. That annoyed me as I could see no basis for such a statement. Meanwhile, I have put forward arguments to show that Clifford is at least as good as O Shea. (BTW, I don't say that he is better). No one has been able to make a rational case that O Shea is better: vague statements that O Shea is a better 'all-round' player - without explaining how that is the case - are useless.
And, insulting posters by calling them 'lad', 'good man', maith an fear', 'bud', etc is out of place here and displays a fairly childish mentality.
Aibrean (National) - 09/11/2019 20:03:41
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 4 Like(s)
Replying To catch22: "Hahaaaa ! So terribly unlucky." Yes, very unlucky.
Joe McKiernan overlooked the double-hop of McManamon very late in the 2011 final allowing McManamon to go on to score his famous goal. A free for the double-hop would most likely have resulted in a Kerry point and a Kerry win. And, Joe went on to give the softest of frees allowing Cluxton to win the game for Dublin. Considering that it's normally virtually impossible to get a free within scoring range in the last few vital minutes - for example, the Crowley/McManamon incident in the 2016 AISF - Joe's decision was 'unusual'.
Unbelievably, Joe again missed a McManamon double hop in the Dublin/Mayo semi-final in 2015.
Oh, BTW, guess who the sideline man was in 2016 who might have alerted David Gough to the McManamon foul on Crowley ? A Magnum to the first correct answer.
Aibrean (National) - 27/08/2019 18:37:34
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All Stars 2019 - 4 Like(s)
Replying To catch22: "O Shea definitely best player on show for Kerry. Clifford was average enough the first day shooting wise and that's what he's there for. O Shea a better all rounder for me." Well, that's an advance: a few weeks ago you described Clifford as merely a "good footballer".
It may come as a surprise to you to learn that Clifford scored more from play in this year's championship than O Shea.
It may also come as a surprise to you to learn that Clifford scored more from play in this year's All Ireland Finals than O Shea.
It may also come as a surprise to you to learn that no one scored more from play than Clifford in this year's All Ireland Finals. Despite the presence of those extraordinarily talented Dublin forwards, and Jack McCaffrey.
As you say yourself: "that's what he's there for".
So, you can drop your "definitely".
Aibrean (National) - 02/11/2019 21:14:59
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Monaghan V Kerry - 4 Like(s)
Kerry once again undone by a referee.
Brolly in relation to Clifford: 'We saw what was happening to him off the ball...
O Rourke: 'Most of the decisions all day went against Kerry....
Brolly: 'Tomás O Sé wanted to make Deegan man-of-the-match....
Senan O Connell agreeing with O Rourke's comment above said 'Monaghan bullied Kerry..
Donaghy was obviously fouled while somehow managing to get his right hand to the ball; had Clifford not scored would Deegan have given a penalty??
Aibrean (National) - 23/07/2018 13:47:38
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Dubs V Mayo - 4 Like(s)
Replying To AfricanGael: "[quote=Aibrean: "[quote=Sindar: "[quote=Aibrean: ""To distinguish between the two, a defender who pulls the attacker by the jersey and it is clear that his intent is to bring him to the ground is a black card."
I don't agree. "Intent" is not mentioned in the rules and, accordingly, is not a consideration. "Deliberately" is the word in the rules.
So, for example, when John Small tugged the jersey of Kevin McLoughlin you could not say that he "deliberately" pulled McLoughlin to the ground - even though McLoughlin ended up on the ground.
McStay got this one wrong, by the way. He was also mistaken on two counts when he said the re-taking of the 45 was due to a recent rule change whereby interfering with the free taker was a foul." You are right I should have used deliberate instead of intent. I don't think we can say Small deliberatley pulled McLoughlin to the ground though. That's not the way referees interpret this and I would be quite adamant that I am correct on that."]I think we are in total agreement. Read my post carefully: I said the Small/Kevin McLoughlin incident was not a black card - though the RTE 'experts' disagree."]What are you talking about ?
You sound like someone who didn't watch the game at all.
Now you are even misquoting your own posts, you said Small/ McLoughlin, period.
Now you are saying Small / Kevin McLoughlin and that's even wrong.
It was Byrne who pulled on McLoughlin.
Fecken hell how many attempts do you need to get your head around it !"]Yes, I am wrong (what a rare admission on this forum!). It was David Byrne who tugged Kevin McLoughlin's jersey.
However, the point I was making (and Sindar agrees) is clear enough: it is not a black card unless you can conclude that Byrne deliberately pulled McLoughlin to the ground.
The critical word is 'deliberately'; 'intent' does not come into it.
And, I don't think you can conclude it was deliberate.
Aibrean (National) - 17/08/2021 19:43:15
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 4 Like(s)
HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!
I have just discovered the following post made by crystal-ball-owning Kerryman, Aibrean on 28th April 2019 under the topic 'Missing Referees'.
Yes, hopefully no Dublin based referees will be adjudicating on Dublin games in 2019.
Can you imagine the outcry if a Tralee based referee from Limerick was appointed to referee a Dublin/Kerry championship game.....
Note that the post makes no mention of Gough. This shows that Kerry concerns were a matter of principal and existed long before Gough was even being considered for the job. I rest my case.
Aibrean (National) - 18/08/2019 00:04:45
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Interfering With Freetakers. - 4 Like(s)
Both Dublin and Derry were guilty of this last weekend but the offences were ignored by the referees.
In particular, Seán O Sé's free should have have been brought forward by 13m as at least one Dublin player was waving his hands. This is a foul per 4.19 of the playing rules: "To interfere with a player taking a free kick or sideline kick by jumping up and down, waving hands, or any other physical or verbal interference considered by the referee to be aimed at distracting the player taking the kick".
David Gough has acted on this.
Of course, quite apart from the rules, it's pretty unsporting behaviour.
Aibrean (National) - 12/07/2022 16:41:52
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David Gough To Referee The Final - 4 Like(s)
Replying To catch22: "[quote=Aibrean: "HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!
I have just discovered the following post made by crystal-ball-owning Kerryman, Aibrean on 28th April 2019 under the topic 'Missing Referees'.
Yes, hopefully no Dublin based referees will be adjudicating on Dublin games in 2019.
Can you imagine the outcry if a Tralee based referee from Limerick was appointed to referee a Dublin/Kerry championship game.....
Note that the post makes no mention of Gough. This shows that Kerry concerns were a matter of principal and existed long before Gough was even being considered for the job. I rest my case." ya , so what's your point then.
I'd imagine there's plenty of referees who have had reason to work or visit Dublin and who aren't biased.
Should they all be subjected to some sort of special scrutiny."]The fundamental point that justice must be seen to be done and that, as far as possible, referees must not only be neutral but be seen to be neutral seems to be beyond the grasp of many here.
You mention 'professional people who would come into contact with one another in day to day life but they go and do a professional job' Quite often 'professional people' - judges (another word for referee), for example, do withdraw fron cases where a PERCEIVED - key word here - conflict of interest may arise.
Why did Dublin have the Kerry referee removed? Because they PERCEIVED a possible conflict of interest.
Do you really think a Limerick referee living and working in Tralee would be acceptable to Dublin? Of course he would not and Dublin would be perfectly correct to have reservations about him.
It is not personal in Gough's case - as my April post shows. It is simple: no one embedded in Dublin should be reffing a Dublin game, just as no one embedded in Kerry should be reffing a Kerry game. If you can't grasp that I give up.
Aibrean (National) - 18/08/2019 10:57:16
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Kerry v Mayo - 3 Like(s)
Mayo supporters barracked and booed the Kerry freetakers and cheered Kerry wides throughout the game - appalling behaviour from a county which has (had?) a sporting reputation. Can anyone explain this transformation?
I would hope that the Mayo County Board - taking a leaf out of Roscommon's book - will appeal to Mayo supporters to refrain from such behaviour.
Aibrean (National) - 21/08/2017 23:35:03
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