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Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Well what have we won this past 10 years? How many Ulster finals have we played in? Actually how many Ulster championship games have we even won? We won the hogan cup in 72 . Ulster minor in 74 and got to 2 senior finals in 76 and 78. We won an u21 in 96 and a senior in 97 on the strength of that. 4 u21s since 2011 and can barely win a Ulster senior championship game on the back of that. Armagh contested the final in 77 just to answer your statement that no ene contested an all Ireland between 69 and 91. Bottom line is we have wasted our u21 talent of 2011-2014 as we are always team building." What's your view on Hyland, with Leitrims success do you think he could get us going a bit?? Benjy1000 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 07/03/2019 13:56:11 2170859 Link
Blame the County Board and blame the clubs for the lack of success in Cavan Football. There's no synergy between clubs and the County Board and there's no vision or forward thinking. The County Board dictate and the clubs let them dictate, and its getting worse. I've said it all along, you cannot have a successful County Team unless you have a good club competitions, the ACFL and Championship needs a revamp, and all the best players need to be playing with their clubs. But it all starts at underage and how the underage are coached and who coaches them. We now have the situation where theres only the best players being brought in to underage academies for coaching, what about the weaker ones left behind, why arent they being coached? You also now have a situation where some Counties have changed the grading - tell me, how many players from last years u17 championship that are now over 17 are currently playing with their clubs, I estimate there's probably 60% to 70% of them no longer playing football because there is no football for them. Most 17 or 18 year olds are too young for junior or senior football. In their wisdom, the county board have rushed through an u21 spring league, why? why not an u19 or u20 league, whats the point in an u21 competition? The u17 league started 2 weeks ago, a week before the beginning the inter county 17 league, wheres the wisdom in that, so you now have lads expected to play with the County on Saturday and Club on Sunday, would they make the county seniors do that? so whats happening now is that young lads wont train or tog out for their clubs because theyre playing County. There's u13/u14 players walking around with County gear on them, County bags, School gear etc and slowly but surely they start to lose interest in their clubs, the weaker lads left behind in the clubs are getting fed up because theyre playing matches without their county players, or because games and trainings are being cancelled because of players being unavailable, Ive been involved in teams where young lads were told by county managers not to play for their clubs. Rant over, but the GAA club in Cavan is in decline and thats why Cavan Football is suffering. PS. for what its worth, I think we'll beat Monaghan and I think we'll survive in Div One, and I'm confident of doing well in Ulster. cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 07/03/2019 14:10:24 2170864 Link
Replying To fredflint: "Its a different world now, the province is ultra competitive. Even Fermanagh look like they will be in Div 1 next year. In the 70s the standard was brutal and yes only 1 Ulster team made a final getting bet out the gate by Dublin. There are no soft teams in Ulster now bar maybe Antrim. So I agree our results have been poor in Ulster, although we have been very close to the top teams in Ulster when we have played them bar Donegal last year. But whats the point moaning about the past, we have a new manager barely in the job. Why don't you and the other lad (Cavan Shambles, who claims he is not negative with that username) give them a chance." Flattered that you see fit to include me in your posts. Once again however your hallucinations are plaguing your judgement as not once did I suggest not giving the manager a chance. My posts are directly aimed at the systemic issues inherent in the production of football talent in Cavan, excellently articulated by cavanblueman below. From now on I'll be referring to you as conspiracy Fred, the man who sees things that aren't there. Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 07/03/2019 14:36:40 2170869 Link
Replying To Benjy1000: "What's your view on Hyland, with Leitrims success do you think he could get us going a bit??" I know this question is for someone else, But I think we have a very good manager in Mickey graham but I still think there is a place for terry like u-20s manager or u17s county board should have recycled him, I think he will by back in some capacity he is involved in the polo grounds center of excellent project at breffni park. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 07/03/2019 15:01:00 2170879 Link
Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Well what have we won this past 10 years? How many Ulster finals have we played in? Actually how many Ulster championship games have we even won? We won the hogan cup in 72 . Ulster minor in 74 and got to 2 senior finals in 76 and 78. We won an u21 in 96 and a senior in 97 on the strength of that. 4 u21s since 2011 and can barely win a Ulster senior championship game on the back of that. Armagh contested the final in 77 just to answer your statement that no ene contested an all Ireland between 69 and 91. Bottom line is we have wasted our u21 talent of 2011-2014 as we are always team building." 20 year record in Ulster 1999 Lost to Derry 2000 Lost to Derry 2001 Lost Ulster final to Tyrone after beating Down, Monaghan 2002 Lost Prelim to Donegal 2003 Lost to Antrim 2004 Lost semi to Armagh after beating Down 2005 Beat Antrim, lost by 21 points to Tyrone after replay 2006 Lost to Down 2007 Lost to Down 2008 Lost to Armagh after beating Antrim 2009 Lost semi to Antrim after beating Fermanagh 2010 Lost to Fermanagh 2011 Lost to Donegal 2012 Lost to Donegal 2013 Beat Armagh and Fermanagh, lost to Monaghan 2014 Lost to Armagh 2015 Lost to Monaghan 2016 Beat Armagh, lost to Tyrone (replay) 2017 Lost to Monaghan 2018 Lost to Donegal Matches Played 31 Won 9 Draw 2 Lost 20 Largest win 8 points (Armagh 2016) Largest defeat 21 points (Tyrone 2005) Win loss records: Antrim (2/2), Armagh (2/3), Down (2/2), Fermanagh (2/1), Monaghan (1/3), Derry (0/2), Donegal (0/4), Tyrone (0/3) MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 07/03/2019 16:52:36 2170912 Link
Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Flattered that you see fit to include me in your posts. Once again however your hallucinations are plaguing your judgement as not once did I suggest not giving the manager a chance. My posts are directly aimed at the systemic issues inherent in the production of football talent in Cavan, excellently articulated by cavanblueman below. From now on I'll be referring to you as conspiracy Fred, the man who sees things that aren't there." No point in knocking the manager as he can only pick the best players we have. The IRFU have control over Irish players and look what success we've had in the last 20 years. But unlike them we only have the pick of the county. Don't have the players and that's it. Virginia (Cavan) - Posts: 101 - 08/03/2019 11:29:16 2171045 Link
Virginia: Off course we have the players it's getting them motivated ???? learn how to look after them? also keep the door open at all times for a player that comes out of no place they always turn out the cream of the crop. Cavan's biggest problem is they listen to all the selectors in the stand along with all the coaching staff ???close your ears to these people asses them yourself as a manager, if you cannot do this then you are in the wrong job. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 08/03/2019 12:37:07 2171063 Link
Replying To The Quiet Man: "Virginia: Off course we have the players it's getting them motivated ???? learn how to look after them? also keep the door open at all times for a player that comes out of no place they always turn out the cream of the crop. Cavan's biggest problem is they listen to all the selectors in the stand along with all the coaching staff ???close your ears to these people asses them yourself as a manager, if you cannot do this then you are in the wrong job." Which players on the current panel has Mickey selected because he is listening to those in the stand?? cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 08/03/2019 13:57:09 2171077 Link
Replying To The Quiet Man: "Virginia: Off course we have the players it's getting them motivated ???? learn how to look after them? also keep the door open at all times for a player that comes out of no place they always turn out the cream of the crop. Cavan's biggest problem is they listen to all the selectors in the stand along with all the coaching staff ???close your ears to these people asses them yourself as a manager, if you cannot do this then you are in the wrong job." You're right. Ya should become a manager and become a dictator. Get selectors but only for decorational purposes. What would the point of listening to them and having your own views questioned and challenged doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 08/03/2019 14:53:13 2171097 Link
Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Well what have we won this past 10 years? How many Ulster finals have we played in? Actually how many Ulster championship games have we even won? We won the hogan cup in 72 . Ulster minor in 74 and got to 2 senior finals in 76 and 78. We won an u21 in 96 and a senior in 97 on the strength of that. 4 u21s since 2011 and can barely win a Ulster senior championship game on the back of that. Armagh contested the final in 77 just to answer your statement that no ene contested an all Ireland between 69 and 91. Bottom line is we have wasted our u21 talent of 2011-2014 as we are always team building." Isn't it ironic that the man you abhor and vilify at every opportunity for his management of our senior team is the man who kick started our U21 winning streak which you champion so much. Maybe we got too carried away on these victories and refused to see that they were built on strong team work with very few stand out players. Indeed Joe Brolly said in an interview in 2018 " I called Cavan the black death three or four years ago when they won their third U-21 Ulster title in a row.It was one of the most distressing sights in Irish life to watch the Cavan U-21s ". After the 2014 victory Martin McHugh while congratulating Cavan said "Donegal will have more out of this than Cavan" sounded like sour grapes at the time but how true it was , Donegal have played in 4 Ulster senior finals since , winning 2 of them, but then they had the likes of McBrearty and the McHughs. To counteract your point about winning a senior in 97 on the back of U21 success in 96, one could point out that after our 1988 U21 success, we went 7 years without a win in the Ulster Senior Championship. A poster has chronicled the last 20 years of Cavan in the Ulster Championship and it doesn't make pretty reading indeed if they had gone back 50 years it would have been much the same bar 1997, and a few sporadic appearances in the final. League form during this time would have been pretty similar, the only time the Dubs or Kerry would come to Cavan was to play challenge matches. At least we have been playing in the top two divisions for the past 5 seasons and will be again next year, and maybe just maybe we might make the breakthrough in Ulster. aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 256 - 08/03/2019 18:53:06 2171129 Link
Replying To aceofspades: "Isn't it ironic that the man you abhor and vilify at every opportunity for his management of our senior team is the man who kick started our U21 winning streak which you champion so much. Maybe we got too carried away on these victories and refused to see that they were built on strong team work with very few stand out players. Indeed Joe Brolly said in an interview in 2018 " I called Cavan the black death three or four years ago when they won their third U-21 Ulster title in a row.It was one of the most distressing sights in Irish life to watch the Cavan U-21s ". After the 2014 victory Martin McHugh while congratulating Cavan said "Donegal will have more out of this than Cavan" sounded like sour grapes at the time but how true it was , Donegal have played in 4 Ulster senior finals since , winning 2 of them, but then they had the likes of McBrearty and the McHughs. To counteract your point about winning a senior in 97 on the back of U21 success in 96, one could point out that after our 1988 U21 success, we went 7 years without a win in the Ulster Senior Championship. A poster has chronicled the last 20 years of Cavan in the Ulster Championship and it doesn't make pretty reading indeed if they had gone back 50 years it would have been much the same bar 1997, and a few sporadic appearances in the final. League form during this time would have been pretty similar, the only time the Dubs or Kerry would come to Cavan was to play challenge matches. At least we have been playing in the top two divisions for the past 5 seasons and will be again next year, and maybe just maybe we might make the breakthrough in Ulster." I agree with most of what you've said but let's not bend reality to the extent that we suggest Martin McHugh had a clue what he was talking about that night in 2014 or that his assertion stood the test of time. To finish the quote he said "Donegal will have more out of this than Cavan, nobody on that Cavan team will play Senior Football" 8 of the 15 starters started last Sunday in Division 1 and 13 have played Senior Football for Cavan who have climbed from Division 3 to Division 1 since McHugh made that statement. Donegal had won a Senior All Ireland 18 months before and McBrearty already had his All Ireland medal. Cavan are currently built with players from that U21 team. Cavan got much more from that U21 side that Donegal did when you consider where both counties were in 2014. Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 08/03/2019 23:19:05 2171173 Link
Replying To JonSmith: "I agree with most of what you've said but let's not bend reality to the extent that we suggest Martin McHugh had a clue what he was talking about that night in 2014 or that his assertion stood the test of time. To finish the quote he said "Donegal will have more out of this than Cavan, nobody on that Cavan team will play Senior Football" 8 of the 15 starters started last Sunday in Division 1 and 13 have played Senior Football for Cavan who have climbed from Division 3 to Division 1 since McHugh made that statement. Donegal had won a Senior All Ireland 18 months before and McBrearty already had his All Ireland medal. Cavan are currently built with players from that U21 team. Cavan got much more from that U21 side that Donegal did when you consider where both counties were in 2014." You must remember Donegal have contested 4 ulster finals since 2014 winning 2 and losing 2 . So that's 4 final appearances in 5 years. What have we won? 2/3 ulster championship games? Your argument has no substance. They also have had 3 managers in 7 years same as us. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 09/03/2019 11:00:43 2171212 Link
Last weekend was without doubt the worst performance of the League so far, however, for 35 minutes we were competitive. Hopefully, we will get a response from the players next weekend in the local Derby. kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 09/03/2019 12:10:38 2171227 Link
Any word on Gearoid Mc Kiernan , is he fit for the game with our friendly neighbours .He could be the difference with a victory , worth 3-4 points a game goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 09/03/2019 12:36:57 2171233 Link
Replying To kildare blue: "Last weekend was without doubt the worst performance of the League so far, however, for 35 minutes we were competitive. Hopefully, we will get a response from the players next weekend in the local Derby." The sentiment expressed in posts like this are a big part of the problem in Cavan football. I'm not singling out your post specifically, but using it as an example to make an assertion. It seems to me that many Cavan supporters are ambivalent about actually winning matches. In other words, if we win or lose the feeling is the same. I think this stems from the fact that we've been largely abysmal for the past 50 years, bar the odd flash in the pan performance. I believe that the Cavan supporters have internalised a losers mentality and simply become innured to it. This manifests itself in comments such as "at least we were competitive" and "we managed to score xyz on them" and "we put it up to them for 35 minutes", etc. But this fundamentally misses the point of competitive sport, which, may I remind you all, is this. Winning = good. Losing = bad. Let's get back to basics, and if/when we get relegated from division one, you shouldn't feel happy about it. Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 10/03/2019 13:37:00 2171383 Link
Replying To Inaroundehouse: "You must remember Donegal have contested 4 ulster finals since 2014 winning 2 and losing 2 . So that's 4 final appearances in 5 years. What have we won? 2/3 ulster championship games? Your argument has no substance. They also have had 3 managers in 7 years same as us." My argument is that McHugh said nobody on the Cavan team would play Senior for Cavan. 13 of them went on to play Senior. No substance there no? McHugh is a mouth and it was sour grapes because we had snatched their victory from them. Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 10/03/2019 14:25:34 2171390 Link
Replying To JonSmith: "My argument is that McHugh said nobody on the Cavan team would play Senior for Cavan. 13 of them went on to play Senior. No substance there no? McHugh is a mouth and it was sour grapes because we had snatched their victory from them." It's a pointless argument you're making though. Who cares about what Mc Hugh said? Nobody. The fact of the matter is Donegal are able to actually produce top footballers in greater numbers than we can, and translate that into silverware. An Ulster title at senior level means much more than it does at youth level. Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 10/03/2019 16:15:40 2171419 Link
He didn't actually say none would go on to play Senior football. As a few like Clarke and Mcveety had already played Senior when Cavan reached quarter finals in 2013. He said, he felt Donegal had more standout players capable of making a impact at Senior level. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 10/03/2019 16:26:16 2171424 Link
Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "It's a pointless argument you're making though. Who cares about what Mc Hugh said? Nobody. The fact of the matter is Donegal are able to actually produce top footballers in greater numbers than we can, and translate that into silverware. An Ulster title at senior level means much more than it does at youth level." 100% correct. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 10/03/2019 17:57:46 2171454 Link
Replying To FoolsGold: "He didn't actually say none would go on to play Senior football. As a few like Clarke and Mcveety had already played Senior when Cavan reached quarter finals in 2013. He said, he felt Donegal had more standout players capable of making a impact at Senior level." Precisely. And he was 100% correct. Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 10/03/2019 18:07:37 2171455 Link