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IMO the only one that would make a potential difference would be Givney and that would be stretching it. Even he barely put 2 powerful games together for Cavan when it mattered. Martin Dunne knows where the posts are but cannot win his own ball. Keating always took on impossible shots so scoring ratio not good enough. Corr no better than what you have presently. I will say that last year's minors did have 2 promising forwards in Madden & Pierson...the best I've seen in Cavan in years.....nurture them ! Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 16/05/2018 22:41:58 2101539 Link 0 |
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Shambles winning Ulster under 21 titles is not the holy grail....it's getting 3 or 4 good quality players from that age group each year (now under 20) that counts. Cork won more Munster under 21 titles than Kerry these last 20 years but where did it get them. Furthermore the quality of football Cavan played in winning those titles was not conducive to developing quality forwards. Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 16/05/2018 22:49:15 2101542 Link 0 |
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And that's it in a nutshell !
Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 16/05/2018 22:52:08 2101543 Link 0 |
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Givney and Corr would make a big difference. Power and heart are essential in a team. Doing the simple things correctly when things are not going so well. It's not all about the limelight or getting silky talent in. You have to have a balance of both skill and grit in a proper team. The forwards mentioned are no obvious upgrade though. They got their fair chance at it, maybe even at detriment to some of our other forward talent. And regardless of how good a forward thinks he is, if he is not willing to work both on the field and off it, he is not an IC footballer in today's game.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/05/2018 23:57:10 2101557 Link 0 |
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Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan, Padraig Hampsey Michael Murphy, Paddy McBrearty, Ryan McHugh, Ciaran Thompson, Odhran McNiallais We couldnt pick any 5 from the 59 since 2012 to match these. That is the reality. At a stretch, maybe Martin Reilly, Killian Clarke, Dara McVeety, Cian Mackey, Givney MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 17/05/2018 00:10:33 2101560 Link 0 |
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We also used players in McKenna cup and league like Levi Murphy J mc Cutcheon K Fannin C McClarey S Jordan F Slowey S McCormack D o Dowd D Barkey P Leddy M Leddy C Galligan O Minagh J Morris C Conroy E Henry B Sankey And that's only a few I can think of . So we have gone through over 100 players in 5/6 years. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 17/05/2018 11:12:16 2101642 Link 0 |
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Tbf gaining two promotions to division 1, (albeit a relegation in between)and being competitive for the first year in division 2 is an incredible achievement considering the turn over of players. upwards of 80 players over all competitions since 2012 is mind blowing. In 2013 i really thought Cavan were beginning to assemble a decent squad together. I felt the quarter final should have been a stepping stone, however it takes silverware to invigorate a team. Monaghan in 2013 beat us by a point in 2013 and went on to win ulster. Not saying we'd have done the same but had we beaten Monaghan that day and went on and won ulster would our fortunes currently be reversed? who knows............ theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 17/05/2018 12:17:49 2101672 Link 0 |
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I absolutely agree that the Monaghan games were pivotal in defining the future of Cavan. The 2013 game in Clones was a bizarre game, but the 2015 game was the one that we never recovered from. We bottled that game and threw it away. Had we won that it would have possibly been a catalyst for making that step up to the next level. That was THE chance to take, and we didn't do it.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 17/05/2018 12:45:53 2101680 Link 1 |
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Fair play for gathering that together, there are many more in addition to what you and I have put forward, so realistically we're talking at least 80 + players in 6 years across all competitions. And we're a small county! One of the smallest in Ireland in terms of population. This is sheer lunacy. I'm all in favour of trying out different players, but after giving more than 80 players a chance to represent their county we still don't have a settled spine in the team. Why are the county board not looking at these numbers and acting on it? The next manager needs to be a high profile name. Primarily to attract back the players who won't commit and secondly to build a spine to our team. The only settled position we have is the goalkeeper. Next they'll be asking me to put on a jersey ffs. Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 17/05/2018 12:52:59 2101688 Link 0 |
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Agree 100% that next manager should be high profile for reason you stated. It should have been high profile in 2012 with Terry as no 2 but the powers that be thought otherwise. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 17/05/2018 14:04:17 2101709 Link 0 |
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Where to now? Virginia (Cavan) - Posts: 101 - 17/05/2018 14:10:24 2101711 Link 0 |
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I didnt like the way McGlennan put it on McVitty to get the team to pull together for qualifiers. He said is was McVittys team. Sorry Matty, thats your job and you get paid to do it unlike Darragh. I thought he almost sounded desperate to get lads to go at the qualifiers so I am not very optimistic. fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 17/05/2018 16:17:28 2101737 Link 0 |
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I agree totally.. the type of football Cavan played in winning those U21 titles was woefull.... Tyrone gained far more as regards finding talent from their 2 teams that we beat than we got from 4 winning teams.... As I posted at the time...winning 10 U 21 titles in a row is not worth a dam if it doesn't translate into senior success. .. As simple as that
Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 17/05/2018 18:54:31 2101763 Link 0 |
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So why in your opinion did our underage success not translate into senior success?
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 17/05/2018 19:35:53 2101770 Link 0 |
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With these 100 or so IC standard players knocking around all from a 6 year period it must be some club scene in Cavan. Oh wait...... Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 17/05/2018 20:50:42 2101795 Link 0 |
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The truth is boys, when Terry was chased out, there was no one better than him lined up. You might want a high profile manager but the truth is none wanted the job. Horan said no remember. In the end it was Banty vrs Matty. So the lesson is don't go firing your manager until there is someone better available! The only one possibly that might be interested is Pete McGrath. fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 17/05/2018 21:06:07 2101803 Link 0 |
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The same Pete McGrath that was run out of Fermanagh and is currently in the midst of a truly disastrous stint over Louth? No thanks.
GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 17/05/2018 21:31:23 2101811 Link 0 |
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Look there was an above average player drop out this past year or two which have weaken the bench. That experience and advanced conditioning/power would have been very beneficial against Donegal and gave us more options but it is what it is. If lads can't/wont commit then you have to move on. There's only so much a manager can do and sometimes his needs are more immediate. Player development sometimes has to come from the players themselves and even clubs. Look at Tom Parsons. Dropped from Mayo panel coming into his prime but forced his way back into squad over a 3 year period through performances with his intermediate club all the while based in UK. Became one of their most influential players and All Star nominee. Going through that list I'm looking for players that stood out in the club championships and I'm struggling. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 17/05/2018 22:55:17 2101829 Link 0 |
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More delusion....'we bottled it'....that's what better teams do ...they keep calm, have faith in their superior ability, use their more talented bench (it's not a 15 man game anymore) and then kick on to victory in the last 15/20 mins.
Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 17/05/2018 23:15:31 2101835 Link 0 |
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Hyland did a great job at u21 level but had not the experience to manage a senior inter county team. He would have made a great number 2 with his knowledge of the players . Don't seem that Mattie has that experience either but deserves this year to finish out his 2 year term. Of what's available James McCartan fits the bill . After all he brought an average Down team to an All Ireland final. Maybe bring Terry in as his assistant. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 18/05/2018 07:58:05 2101864 Link 0 |