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Replying To StirringIt:  "If you think your so good why are you not our gooch cooper stirring it? And if you're not county standard what gives you the right to bash players that are trying, go home and grow up.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts:450 - 31/10/2017 16:39:18

Not bashing them for trying. Just saying they're not good enough !
I'm entitled to my opinion and just because it doesn't agree with your blinkered view, doesn't mean i can't voice it.
It's called a democracy. Freedom of speech and I'm using my freedom to say that the current group of players are not playing to the standard required to win anything.
Look at the reality here. No natural forwards, system based on defense, slow to attack, playing a system rather than using and developing the natural flair player have.
I'm no Gooch Cooper, but I've been involved with football long enough to know a good player when I see one, and all I see is average players. We are not the kings of Ulster or anything anymore. The sooner you realise that the better.
We are an average team on par with fermanagh, Louth, Wexford, etc
We simply don't have the talent. It's the fault of the players that they are not at the standard. Maybe their best simply isn't good enough. That's life !
But it's my opinion that we are not good enough and whether you like it or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Just look at the attendance at games. There's your answer !"
Well that's a little better StirringIt - at least you made a point at the end of the last comment. but then again, you said in your last comment "we don't have the b***s". So what is it? We don't have the players or we don't have the b***s!

Debate is great but a huge amount of people marry the fact that we don't have good enough players to win an Ulster or be in Div 1 with comments like - 'the manager is useless' or 'there is no pride in the jersey'. That is consuming these forums and there is little talk about how we might improve. We can all sit here and moan all day but it may be interesting to hear peoples opinions on how we can improve and talk about potential improvement without someone like StirringIt writing a paragraph on the same old negativity. But you're entitled to you opinion, I agree with that but its never any harm to change the record occasionally!

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 01/11/2017 11:24:27    2059472

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With that amount of players not committing as is the speculation, Cavan will probably end up in the Relegation mix. Tipperary have got players back, they will be stronger next year. Stephen O Brien a top midfielder. Cork have Ciaran Sheehan back from Afl. Roscommon too.

Cavan scraping around looking for a panel.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 01/11/2017 11:29:54    2059473

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Replying To StirringIt:  "If you think your so good why are you not our gooch cooper stirring it? And if you're not county standard what gives you the right to bash players that are trying, go home and grow up.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts:450 - 31/10/2017 16:39:18

Not bashing them for trying. Just saying they're not good enough !
I'm entitled to my opinion and just because it doesn't agree with your blinkered view, doesn't mean i can't voice it.
It's called a democracy. Freedom of speech and I'm using my freedom to say that the current group of players are not playing to the standard required to win anything.
Look at the reality here. No natural forwards, system based on defense, slow to attack, playing a system rather than using and developing the natural flair player have.
I'm no Gooch Cooper, but I've been involved with football long enough to know a good player when I see one, and all I see is average players. We are not the kings of Ulster or anything anymore. The sooner you realise that the better.
We are an average team on par with fermanagh, Louth, Wexford, etc
We simply don't have the talent. It's the fault of the players that they are not at the standard. Maybe their best simply isn't good enough. That's life !
But it's my opinion that we are not good enough and whether you like it or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Just look at the attendance at games. There's your answer !"
I haven't got a blinkered view and I haven't said we are Kings of ulster and you are player bashing you said they have no balls and have called for Santa to bring backs forwards and midfielders so in essence you are saying to the players s there to feck off, so what if they are not Dublin or Kerry standard they are our county players that are busting themselves to represent us, so you need to realize that a lot of counties are the same as us and some worse, so you stop been blinkered and wake up and smell the coffee .

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 01/11/2017 11:43:06    2059479

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Replying To blueman1903:  "I haven't got a blinkered view and I haven't said we are Kings of ulster and you are player bashing you said they have no balls and have called for Santa to bring backs forwards and midfielders so in essence you are saying to the players s there to feck off, so what if they are not Dublin or Kerry standard they are our county players that are busting themselves to represent us, so you need to realize that a lot of counties are the same as us and some worse, so you stop been blinkered and wake up and smell the coffee ."
i know they're busting themselves but their best isn't good enough.
We don't have the skill to compete with the best, therefore a multi tier championship is needed so lesser talented teams like us can compete at our own level., just like the leagues. We are not div 1 and possibly mid to bottom div 2, top half div 3. We can't compete with the big boys.

I'm not saying they're not trying, just saying they're not good enough !

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 01/11/2017 13:20:04    2059501

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Replying To StirringIt:  "i know they're busting themselves but their best isn't good enough.
We don't have the skill to compete with the best, therefore a multi tier championship is needed so lesser talented teams like us can compete at our own level., just like the leagues. We are not div 1 and possibly mid to bottom div 2, top half div 3. We can't compete with the big boys.

I'm not saying they're not trying, just saying they're not good enough !"
ps Santa bringing players was a joke.... we all know he can't bring players, just toys, games and football gear !

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 01/11/2017 13:55:16    2059517

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Replying To StirringIt:  "ps Santa bringing players was a joke.... we all know he can't bring players, just toys, games and football gear !"
Does anyone know what players are in the panel?

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 03/11/2017 12:19:53    2060042

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It appears that the Cavan setup is in complete disarray and I dont say that likely.
Numerous players unwilling to commit for various reasons.
top class s&c coach from last 3 seasons has left.
finbar reilly gone, j higgins gone and have not been replaced as far as i know.
new members of panel are not up to level required or even near it unfortunately
I dont know what the problems are or why so many are uninterested and unwilling to commit? Is it down to the training load and commitment required for no reward?

gowna02 (Cavan) - Posts: 99 - 04/11/2017 20:32:53    2060490

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Replying To blueman1903:  "Does anyone know what players are in the panel?"
I'd like to know that too.


A lot of people claiming players won't commit and yet they can't post the panel.

Either name the current panel or stop talking rubbish. Then we can all see who has committed and who hasn't.

Remember it's November so no players should be involved in collective training - it's too early to say a player isn't going to be involved.

Also, wouldn't expect any Gaels players involved yet.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 04/11/2017 22:02:56    2060506

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Replying To blueman1903:  "Does anyone know what players are in the panel?"
i dont know full panel but i have hear some new names that are in there; p moore, sean mc cormac (ballyhaise), two whartons (cornafean), mcintyre (shercock), kiernan (ballymachugh) o kiernan & daly (casthlerahan)

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 06/11/2017 12:00:48    2060755

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I see Killian Clarke commenting having no excuses next year. Not a forward in the county and without one they wont do anything

fearmanach1 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 15 - 07/11/2017 12:12:00    2060970

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Replying To fearmanach1:  "I see Killian Clarke commenting having no excuses next year. Not a forward in the county and without one they wont do anything"
I'd have to agree.

Hard to see past a Fermanagh procession in the ulster and maybe all ireland championship!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 07/11/2017 12:48:59    2060978

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Replying To cavanman47:  "I'd like to know that too.


A lot of people claiming players won't commit and yet they can't post the panel.

Either name the current panel or stop talking rubbish. Then we can all see who has committed and who hasn't.

Remember it's November so no players should be involved in collective training - it's too early to say a player isn't going to be involved.

Also, wouldn't expect any Gaels players involved yet."
Of course they can't post a panel when there is more playes opting out then committing.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 07/11/2017 18:47:53    2061059

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A lot of last year's panel not asked back in , players with a lot of experience playing when we got promoted to Division 1 hard to know how they all got so bad
Lot of junior and intermediate players in panel it's gonna be tough

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 07/11/2017 20:09:22    2061076

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Replying To shannon414:  "A lot of last year's panel not asked back in , players with a lot of experience playing when we got promoted to Division 1 hard to know how they all got so bad
Lot of junior and intermediate players in panel it's gonna be tough"
I don't think this is true. I'd suggest they would take anyone of last years panel with open arms. Can you name any person on last years panel that wasn't asked back

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 07/11/2017 20:58:12    2061088

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Aren't the county players supposed to be on a break by the rules of the GAA until the new year? Or has that been done away with?

I know there will be gatherings and 'trials' but is it not the case that the inter country training & conditioning is off limits until January?

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 08/11/2017 08:39:45    2061130

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Replying To gowna02:  "It appears that the Cavan setup is in complete disarray and I dont say that likely.
Numerous players unwilling to commit for various reasons.
top class s&c coach from last 3 seasons has left.
finbar reilly gone, j higgins gone and have not been replaced as far as i know.
new members of panel are not up to level required or even near it unfortunately
I dont know what the problems are or why so many are uninterested and unwilling to commit? Is it down to the training load and commitment required for no reward?"
It appears that the Cavan setup is in complete disarray and I dont say that likely.
Numerous players unwilling to commit for various reasons.
top class s&c coach from last 3 seasons has left.
finbar reilly gone, j higgins gone and have not been replaced as far as i know.
new members of panel are not up to level required or even near it unfortunately
I dont know what the problems are or why so many are uninterested and unwilling to commit? Is it down to the training load and commitment required for no reward?

gowna02 (Cavan) - Posts:79 - 04/11/2017 20:32:53 2060490

I just want to ask you a question you say top class s&c coach left after 3 years I am not sure he has been there 3 years but I will accept it if you think so. His contract as far as I know was S&C for the seniors juniors and U21 can any of the latter two teams mentioned tell me if he ever did a session with them. There is a new fitness coach in so let's see how fit he can get these players. None of the gaels team would be in if the county are training. Kiernan is a fine player but needs to be though discipline otherwise he will be a problem for any manager to depend on him despite his huge potential. I hear names being mentioned but no one has mentioned Sheridan from Arva in fact there are two others from Arva I would like to see being brought in if only to see how they would perform for I thought they showed excellent awareness and skill.
Just a little foot note if players or people involved with management cannot show respect for others they are well gone.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 08/11/2017 12:11:23    2061189

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Replying To Reformation:  "Aren't the county players supposed to be on a break by the rules of the GAA until the new year? Or has that been done away with?

I know there will be gatherings and 'trials' but is it not the case that the inter country training & conditioning is off limits until January?"
Collective training is not allowed during the months of November and December.

It still happens. I know Cavan started back in November last year and I know Meath had their first training session last night. Btw, they are also struggling to hold on to players. 6 of last years panel were asked back but have opted out.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 08/11/2017 13:56:28    2061211

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Replying To seanorinn:  "It appears that the Cavan setup is in complete disarray and I dont say that likely.
Numerous players unwilling to commit for various reasons.
top class s&c coach from last 3 seasons has left.
finbar reilly gone, j higgins gone and have not been replaced as far as i know.
new members of panel are not up to level required or even near it unfortunately
I dont know what the problems are or why so many are uninterested and unwilling to commit? Is it down to the training load and commitment required for no reward?

gowna02 (Cavan) - Posts:79 - 04/11/2017 20:32:53 2060490

I just want to ask you a question you say top class s&c coach left after 3 years I am not sure he has been there 3 years but I will accept it if you think so. His contract as far as I know was S&C for the seniors juniors and U21 can any of the latter two teams mentioned tell me if he ever did a session with them. There is a new fitness coach in so let's see how fit he can get these players. None of the gaels team would be in if the county are training. Kiernan is a fine player but needs to be though discipline otherwise he will be a problem for any manager to depend on him despite his huge potential. I hear names being mentioned but no one has mentioned Sheridan from Arva in fact there are two others from Arva I would like to see being brought in if only to see how they would perform for I thought they showed excellent awareness and skill.
Just a little foot note if players or people involved with management cannot show respect for others they are well gone."
Which Kiernan is it

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 08/11/2017 21:08:08    2061305

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "Which Kiernan is it"
Oisin Kiernan, Castlerahan

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 09/11/2017 00:04:49    2061321

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Oisin Kiernan, Castlerahan"
I think seanorinn is relating to Mark Kiernan Ballymacugh when speaking about discipline. Think he was sent off 1-2 times this year. Oisin Kiernan is also there but this wouldnt be an issue with him.

BootIt (Cavan) - Posts: 136 - 09/11/2017 18:30:36    2061450

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