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What we need it the 2nd coming of Jesus....at the wedding in Cana, he turned water into wine, so here's hoping he might be able to turn the County Team into footballers. Give it rest lads, its October, I want to enjoy Christmas before I start listening to drivel about Cavan being good and Cavan should beat this team and that team. Lets just go back a few months to the National League games - Dublin, Kerry, Mayo etc...I said it at the time, these teams were trying out players & different systems with their concentration solely on Championship. I remember when we beat Mayo at the time, people were saying that we were a match for anyone..blah..blah..blah - forward on the summer, and look at the difference in those teams compared to what Cavan were, I rest my case. Since 1997, Cavan Football has gone backwards. If you think we have made progress, explain why two of the biggest hurling strongholds, Clare & Tipperary now have football teams capable of beating us? We are a Division Two team at best, we dont have footballers capable of playing Division One Football, the two best teams in the County Final is proof of that. A 33 yr old was man of the match! Not one player from both sides would get onto the top 5/6 teams in the Country. cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 23/10/2017 11:08:50 2057175 Link
Replying To cavanblueman: "What we need it the 2nd coming of Jesus....at the wedding in Cana, he turned water into wine, so here's hoping he might be able to turn the County Team into footballers. Give it rest lads, its October, I want to enjoy Christmas before I start listening to drivel about Cavan being good and Cavan should beat this team and that team. Lets just go back a few months to the National League games - Dublin, Kerry, Mayo etc...I said it at the time, these teams were trying out players & different systems with their concentration solely on Championship. I remember when we beat Mayo at the time, people were saying that we were a match for anyone..blah..blah..blah - forward on the summer, and look at the difference in those teams compared to what Cavan were, I rest my case. Since 1997, Cavan Football has gone backwards. If you think we have made progress, explain why two of the biggest hurling strongholds, Clare & Tipperary now have football teams capable of beating us? We are a Division Two team at best, we dont have footballers capable of playing Division One Football, the two best teams in the County Final is proof of that. A 33 yr old was man of the match! Not one player from both sides would get onto the top 5/6 teams in the Country." cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts:198 - 23/10/2017 11:08:50 We don't for now have the luxury of playing about with players with the championship in mind we have to concentrate on the league consolidate or get promotion one or the other and then maybe give the championship a lash but now priority has to be the League. As for the 1997 team I believe our 2002 team were far better. This is my opinion thats all. The best point ever scored in Clones was the Cavan wide in 1997. I was there I saw it as did several thousands Cavan supporters. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 23/10/2017 12:53:17 2057211 Link
Replying To seanorinn: "cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts:198 - 23/10/2017 11:08:50 We don't for now have the luxury of playing about with players with the championship in mind we have to concentrate on the league consolidate or get promotion one or the other and then maybe give the championship a lash but now priority has to be the League. As for the 1997 team I believe our 2002 team were far better. This is my opinion thats all. The best point ever scored in Clones was the Cavan wide in 1997. I was there I saw it as did several thousands Cavan supporters." john, you are not making much sense these days. perhaps best to stay offline for a while. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 23/10/2017 14:11:15 2057236 Link
Replying To s goldrick: "john, you are not making much sense these days. perhaps best to stay offline for a while." No No lets go with this. He is trying to coorelate a wide in 1997 to the decline of Cavan football albeit a purple patch in 2002 where we got our hammered in the league final by getting to the Division 1 final from the second tier and being beat by Donegal in the preliminary round. cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 23/10/2017 15:08:26 2057261 Link
Replying To seanorinn: "cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts:198 - 23/10/2017 11:08:50 We don't for now have the luxury of playing about with players with the championship in mind we have to concentrate on the league consolidate or get promotion one or the other and then maybe give the championship a lash but now priority has to be the League. As for the 1997 team I believe our 2002 team were far better. This is my opinion thats all. The best point ever scored in Clones was the Cavan wide in 1997. I was there I saw it as did several thousands Cavan supporters." 1997 we won .. 2002 we were beaten when your mate was in charge. 1997 was a very good team., Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 23/10/2017 15:13:53 2057262 Link
Replying To cavanblueman: "What we need it the 2nd coming of Jesus....at the wedding in Cana, he turned water into wine, so here's hoping he might be able to turn the County Team into footballers. Give it rest lads, its October, I want to enjoy Christmas before I start listening to drivel about Cavan being good and Cavan should beat this team and that team. Lets just go back a few months to the National League games - Dublin, Kerry, Mayo etc...I said it at the time, these teams were trying out players & different systems with their concentration solely on Championship. I remember when we beat Mayo at the time, people were saying that we were a match for anyone..blah..blah..blah - forward on the summer, and look at the difference in those teams compared to what Cavan were, I rest my case. Since 1997, Cavan Football has gone backwards. If you think we have made progress, explain why two of the biggest hurling strongholds, Clare & Tipperary now have football teams capable of beating us? We are a Division Two team at best, we dont have footballers capable of playing Division One Football, the two best teams in the County Final is proof of that. A 33 yr old was man of the match! Not one player from both sides would get onto the top 5/6 teams in the Country." Have to agree here. last year if the Division 1 teams played to their full strength and ability we would have been cannon fodder. That's the reality. It happens every year in Division 1 that teams go up and cant compete. Down and Derry suffered similar fate recently. The only difference is that they actually try and play direct football instead of this defensive lateral stuff. Sean claimed we scored the best point in Clones when we got the rub of the green in 97 but we played great football under McHugh. For 3 years we played fast attacking football that was a joy to watch. We operated in Division 1 for 2 seasons. We did struggle but we played attractive exciting football. Now that's all gone. However, talk to those players. Ask them when was the best football they played? I know the answer. Fast Forward 2017, Ask the same question to the current crop. Let these guys play football. I honestly don't know how to rate some players now because they are playing inside themselves. They have been trained to defend, defend, defend, recycle the ball and build up slowly. Ulster has fallen into the trap of this crap and fair play to the Downs and Derry's who for most of the time refuse to play it. Id rather be down in the lower divisions and watch Cavan play open football and let guys develop and re programme how to play the game than another season of hold onto the ball and get everybody back. Cavan football will never flourish under this system. its fed down to club football now and its diabolical to watch and to play. Look at the minors this year. A breath of fresh air. I hope they are not ruined by this system as other players have gone before. cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 23/10/2017 15:22:31 2057265 Link
It's the culture of teams in Ulster. Tyrone and Armagh early 2000s was based on defence. Peter Donnelly was part of 2008 squad with Tyrone as a player, came to Cavan shortly after as coach for schools and development squads. Cavan won 4 u21s based on defence. . Club football in Donegal become very defensive after Jim Mc, club championship final recently being an example. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 23/10/2017 16:07:25 2057280 Link
Rumours coming out of the county set up that 52 lads were called up but only 26 turned up to the first meeting. McDermott, Mackey, Johnstone and several other lads who have been around for years have opted out apparently. Not looking good for the year ahead. PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 23/10/2017 16:47:03 2057295 Link
Replying To cavan97: "Have to agree here. last year if the Division 1 teams played to their full strength and ability we would have been cannon fodder. That's the reality. It happens every year in Division 1 that teams go up and cant compete. Down and Derry suffered similar fate recently. The only difference is that they actually try and play direct football instead of this defensive lateral stuff. Sean claimed we scored the best point in Clones when we got the rub of the green in 97 but we played great football under McHugh. For 3 years we played fast attacking football that was a joy to watch. We operated in Division 1 for 2 seasons. We did struggle but we played attractive exciting football. Now that's all gone. However, talk to those players. Ask them when was the best football they played? I know the answer. Fast Forward 2017, Ask the same question to the current crop. Let these guys play football. I honestly don't know how to rate some players now because they are playing inside themselves. They have been trained to defend, defend, defend, recycle the ball and build up slowly. Ulster has fallen into the trap of this crap and fair play to the Downs and Derry's who for most of the time refuse to play it. Id rather be down in the lower divisions and watch Cavan play open football and let guys develop and re programme how to play the game than another season of hold onto the ball and get everybody back. Cavan football will never flourish under this system. its fed down to club football now and its diabolical to watch and to play. Look at the minors this year. A breath of fresh air. I hope they are not ruined by this system as other players have gone before." Down belong in the (small) bracket of teams who play open attacking football. .but Derry!??? They are probably the only team I've ever seen attempt to stifle a game of football more than Donegal did in the 2011 All ireland semi final. Dublin have killed the midfield battle with their short kickouts to unmarked corner backs. Kerry's goalkeeper kicked the ball over his own end line in their last outing. Mayo's defence is the cornerstone of their (relative) success of recent years. And Tyrone played 1 man in their opponents half in their last game. It's not just Cavan who play a conservative game. It's just about every county in Ireland apart from Down, Galway and one or two of the weaker ones. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 23/10/2017 17:01:53 2057299 Link
Replying To Inaroundehouse: "1997 we won .. 2002 we were beaten when your mate was in charge. 1997 was a very good team.," 1997 we won .. 2002 we were beaten when your mate was in charge. 1997 was a very good team., Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts:390 - 23/10/2017 15:13:53 2057262 I could have sworn Mattie Kerrigan's was in change in 2002. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 23/10/2017 17:18:14 2057306 Link
Replying To PatTheDandy: "Rumours coming out of the county set up that 52 lads were called up but only 26 turned up to the first meeting. McDermott, Mackey, Johnstone and several other lads who have been around for years have opted out apparently. Not looking good for the year ahead." Johnston wouldn't be training with the county while the Gaels are still playing. Neither would any other Gaels players Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 23/10/2017 17:41:56 2057310 Link
Sean Mattie took the reins when Val Andrews walked at the end of the 2001 season, having reached the Ulster Final but having not secured the total backing of the Board. In Mattie's first year we got to the League Final and lost out to Tyrone. Shortly afterwards we lost to Donegal in the Ulster Championship at the Park. In his second season we missed out on the play off's for the League, losing to Sligo I think in the last round of matches. Subsequently beaten by Antrim in the Ulster Championship. The late Eamonn Coleman took the reins for the 2004 season. kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 23/10/2017 18:58:19 2057322 Link
Replying To kildare blue: "Sean Mattie took the reins when Val Andrews walked at the end of the 2001 season, having reached the Ulster Final but having not secured the total backing of the Board. In Mattie's first year we got to the League Final and lost out to Tyrone. Shortly afterwards we lost to Donegal in the Ulster Championship at the Park. In his second season we missed out on the play off's for the League, losing to Sligo I think in the last round of matches. Subsequently beaten by Antrim in the Ulster Championship. The late Eamonn Coleman took the reins for the 2004 season." So Mattie Kerrigan's was manager in 2002 thats what I was saying not my mate as another posted said. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 23/10/2017 20:40:28 2057347 Link
Replying To seanorinn: "So Mattie Kerrigan's was manager in 2002 thats what I was saying not my mate as another posted said." Ah Sean, inaroundehouse isnt bothered about being accurate in anything he claims as a fact. That being said I wouldn't agree the 2002 team were as good as the 97 team. No way. fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 23/10/2017 22:57:01 2057404 Link
Replying To fredflint: "Ah Sean, inaroundehouse isnt bothered about being accurate in anything he claims as a fact. That being said I wouldn't agree the 2002 team were as good as the 97 team. No way." Replying To seanorinn: "So Mattie Kerrigan's was manager in 2002 thats what I was saying not my mate as another posted said." Ah Sean, inaroundehouse isnt bothered about being accurate in anything he claims as a fact. That being said I wouldn't agree the 2002 team were as good as the 97 team. No way. fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:863 - 23/10/2017 22:57:01 2057404 I suppose all down to ones own personal opinion at the end of the day. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 23/10/2017 23:46:37 2057413 Link
Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Johnston wouldn't be training with the county while the Gaels are still playing. Neither would any other Gaels players" Ok, but I think he was the only Gaels lad on the long list of experienced players I was given. I forgot the rest the last time but now remember that it also included McEnroe, Corr, Rory Dunne, and Martin Reilly. PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 24/10/2017 10:14:47 2057450 Link
Replying To PatTheDandy: "Ok, but I think he was the only Gaels lad on the long list of experienced players I was given. I forgot the rest the last time but now remember that it also included McEnroe, Corr, Rory Dunne, and Martin Reilly." Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Johnston wouldn't be training with the county while the Gaels are still playing. Neither would any other Gaels players" Ok, but I think he was the only Gaels lad on the long list of experienced players I was given. I forgot the rest the last time but now remember that it also included McEnroe, Corr, Rory Dunne, and Martin Reilly. PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts:23 - 24/10/2017 10:14:47 2057450 Are you saying Martin Reilly is gone along with Mossy who is near 34 Rory is injured as is James McEnroe. Where you get your information from baffles me but then again you could be right , I am not even sure they are training?????. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 24/10/2017 10:57:31 2057471 Link
Paul Graham,Barry Fortune,Ciaran Flynn are the other Gaels players who have being called in.two of them are going in.one maybe not. Niall McDermot & Martin Reilly cant commit.same applies to Mossy Corr gaelsutd (Cavan) - Posts: 602 - 24/10/2017 11:43:24 2057489 Link
It wasn't a training session. It was a meeting to discuss the year ahead. Even injured players can attend a meeting. All of those lads I named did not attend the meeting, which you would have to assume means that at this moment in time at least, they are not intending to play for Cavan next year. PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 24/10/2017 12:00:15 2057499 Link
Replying To PatTheDandy: "It wasn't a training session. It was a meeting to discuss the year ahead. Even injured players can attend a meeting. All of those lads I named did not attend the meeting, which you would have to assume means that at this moment in time at least, they are not intending to play for Cavan next year." It wasn't a training session. It was a meeting to discuss the year ahead. Even injured players can attend a meeting. All of those lads I named did not attend the meeting, which you would have to assume means that at this moment in time at least, they are not intending to play for Cavan next year. PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts:24 - 24/10/2017 12:00:15 2057 Means nothing players not turning up for a meeting. Surprised with names being mentioned above they are just average club players at best. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 24/10/2017 12:25:51 2057506 Link