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Replying To OpenStandWall: "Thought that came in to my head on the way home - I think we're slowly becoming the new Offaly." We are alot fitter than Offaly were back then. They also have some great young players coming through.
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Replying To Slowandshortsighted: "I think kk beat antrim by 30 points last week and scored something like 5-30.There definitely is a obsession with kk in Wexford. Yes Wexford never fear kk but they always back it up and you know what you will get everyday from them. Maybe its more jealousy than obsessed.kk going for 5 leinsters in a row and not a word from them. Today was another dark day for the hurlers.We can dress today up no matter way we want but the facts are this is embarrassing. Antrim havent won a match in a long time. I feel sorry for rossi because he is a gent. When lee goes there will be dark days ahead. Unfortunately the leaders from 2019 are nearly all finished and theres going to be some painful days trying to build another team.
Its clear now that the league was a waste of time and a false reading. Teams didn't bother with it. We had tom Dempsy and Ursula in the media saying how strong the panel is and theres 8 or 9 starters to come back. Im convinced if lee wasnt there Wexford would be in the joe mac
Yes id expect a better performance next week where under dogs will suit but very hard to see past galway. Its going to be hard pick lads off the ground again but alot of these lads have being here before.Its depressing and the hurling world will be having a giggle.Theres a big rebuild needed theres lads around the squad not good enough
I know its a few years ago now but the team never recovered from the way davie had them revved up to the last. Injuries very slow to heal. Is it a coincidence that clare 2013 lost a few through injury and it took clare 8 or 9 years to get back to the top table.
Carlow will definitely be no pushover they have played some good hurling.
Gakway have a great record in salthill and should win that. Kk have alot of injuries." Where has the system and energy we played with during the League gone?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 18:38:36
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Anyone who is frustrated with where we are this morning should read this document again this morning and should genuinely either take it on board or come up with better suggestions. It's obvious that the standard of our clubs is not where we need it to be
https://wexfordgaa.ie/wexford-gaa-in-2023/" Ive been saying that for ages now. Especially as regards underage.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 18:40:52
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Unless I'm mistaken but if we were to beat either Kilkenny or Galway and then lose to the other one, lose to Carlow, and then Antrim and Carlow drew on the last day, we would be relegated on 3 points as Carlow and Antrim would own the head-to-head on us" On the other hand if we win our last 3 games we will likely be in a Leinster final.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 18:42:27
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Replying To Past hurler: "I still come back to the fact the standard of Wexford club hurling is at an all time low, if you grow up playing pedestrian paced hurling it's hard to transfer that over to inter county.
1 x Leinster senior club hurling title in the last 28 years
No Wexford club had ever won a Leinster intermediate club title
3 x Leinster junior club titles in 23 years which is a little bit better.
There is no quick fix to this.
Primary schools hurling, post primary Schools hurling, club hurling etc all needs to be fixed first before the senior county team will improve.
There is no quick fix or manager who will improve that.
We had one good year in 2019 since 2004 let's not kid ourselves." We have to start at the start. At u6 in the clubs and hurling 365 for junior infants. And work up.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 18:45:02
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Replying To Timbertony: "When the likes of Rathnure and Oulart were going well and winning Leinster club finals, our county team was arguably worse than it is now. To be honest I think there is limitation correlation between the strength of the club scene and any county team. Senior county players come from the underage panels these days." Im fed up pointing out that Antrim clubs are historically more successful than Wexford ones
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 18:46:45
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Replying To Paull: "There is no blame the Football brigade here .
Let me say it a different way.
Our Senior Hurling team sit roughly 8-10 in Ireland and IMO every team above have more better hurlers mainly because they play less Football.
And as they play less Football, what do you think happens?? They play more Hurling.
And what happens because they play more Hurling? They get better at it.
Our Senior Football team sit roughly 24 -26 in Ireland and IMO most every team above them have more better Footballers mainly because they play less Hurling.
And as they play less Hurling what do you think happens?? They play more Football.
And what happens because they play more Football?
They get better at it.
No blame game here. Just logical thinking." Leaving hurling aside S+C wise we are years off it before a ball is even pucked. Apart from Lee we would mix with anyone of the top counties. We have no size, most clubs in Wexford are predominantly hurling anyway, so this big change in standards by getting rid of a bit of football training is probably not going to materialise. There are many factors at play contributing to our poor standards, coaching structures in clubs, underage competition structures, schools gaa, losing tradition, if you ask me the more football clubs are producing more hurlers for our county teams than the traditional hurling ones. 2 dual minors playing this yeat( both who were very good yday) is probably the last you will see of it as we are making players choose at u14 now which I think is the right decision. The change has to come at underage, it's too late when players get to adult and what difference is playing football at adult grade of a player who is not good enough to play senior hurling for Wexford. We would early he better off playing a divisional county championship while the county scene is on, would be better than the farcical leagues and would expose players to a higher standard of hurling. On another point when i played ( good few years now) I just wanted to play games regardless of when wexford were winning, and that has to be factored in too that 99% of our players are club players.
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 173 - 28/04/2024 18:47:15
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "I live in Limerick and I'm a member of a club down here. Having been at the majority of club games down here since I've lived here and also travelling back for my own clubs games …If you put any of the big 4 clubs in to our championship down home (Na Piarsaigh, the Well, Kilmallock and Doon) they'd win it more or less unapposed, in particular the first two mentioned at 21/20 level they've managed to win an all Ireland (hammering us in one) I'd suggest to anyone who wants to listen about how limerick went about their resurgence OTB did a piece on it a few years back it's on Spotify. Egos and rivalries were left to one side and getting them back to the top table was put to the forefront, people can say that McManus money is the main reason but money isn't out there putting the ball over the bar.
People blamed Egan last year and the year before for results against Westmeath and Dublin, but I'm still struggling to see where improvements have been made by individuals this year, our league results were good but if we were to play Cork, Clare, Kilkenny or even Waterford in the championship the likelihood of us replicating those results is very unlikely..We still cannot field a ball in our half back line or half forward line, any time the ball is launched in anywhere near our goalmouth we're shaking in our boots, half back line don't know whether to play a pass forward or to play it back to Fanning - am I genuinely missing something here as to what is the positive to be gained from doing that?
After the FT whistle yesterday I was disappointed but absolutely by no means surprised." I'm not going to judge our season after 2 championship games. Out championship objective is to finish 3rd.
We already achieved our Walsh Cup and League objectives.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 18:48:43
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Replying To Yellowhelmet: "Looking ahead to Galway.
A ruthless manager like Cody would drop at least 5 players after yesterday's performance. No guaranteed starters.
So fanning, murphy, donaghue, mcgovern, foley and Dunbar need a rest. If Keith keeps faith with them then no competition for places." Mac too. He looked wore out after the 1st 10 minutes.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 18:49:55
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Replying To Paull: "We average 1 All Ireland every 30 years.
If things dont change quickly that average will get worse.
If we are happy with that then fair enough.
Maybe we take competing at the highest level too seriously.. Sure it's all about taking part.
If there were All Ireland medals given out based on the percentage of how many dual players each County has we would be top of the table." Paul I'm not disagreeing but can you give some examples of what changes you'd make to improve things. I posted the link to the document Co board sent out earlier and nobody has suggested anything that would help.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 139 - 28/04/2024 18:52:46
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Replying To Paull: "I think it's time everyone wakes up and smells the coffee. We will never and I mean never compete at the business end of the Liam Mccarthy again unless we change our own games programme and championship structure. If that is to the detriment of the football side of things then so be it. We cannot be slaves to two masters and have it both ways unless you have the population of the Corks and Galways.
Can anyone answer what percentage of our Senior Hurling team play either Intermediate or Senior Club football championship??
If it's similar to Limerick, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare and Waterford then I apologise but I bet Wexfords is way higher.
Of course you can pick out examples of players playing well doing both but we need 120 Senior Club players at roughly Inter County standard. The other Counties I named have those numbers. Do we?
Even Antrim would have 100 players capable of playing Inter County.
Their top 3 teams would all win the Wexford Senior Hurling Championship.
How many of the Antrim players who played again us yesterday play football at either Senior or Intermediate level for their clubs? They have not had an underage team do anything for the last 10 years yet still get enough good hurlers to beat us." I've been saying it for years but people in Wexford don't want to know about the dual issue.
There are Joe McDonagh counties that would have a stronger senior club hurling championship than Wexford.
Look what Kilcormac of Offaly done to Gorey last year in Leinster, after Gorey coming off 7 weeks off Football training.
It's falling between two stools and going nowhere fast.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 745 - 28/04/2024 19:01:17
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Are we really having the " it's footballs fault " argument again ?... it wasn't footballs fault when we won leinster in 19.
Clare have a population roughly 40k lower than ours and can compete in both liam Mccarthy and Sam maguire...
What is the proposal make players choose ? Forbid them from playing one sport ?.
Hurling is in bad shape because of hurling. We have won minor leinster title in over 30 years. We haven't competed in a minor all Ireland in over 45 years.
We haven't won an all Ireland under 20/21 in god knows when.
The senior hurling budget needs to be cut and funding put into underage structure. More needs to be done from the ground up starting in primary schools.
None of the above is to do with football or dual players
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Replying To Viking66: "We have to start at the start. At u6 in the clubs and hurling 365 for junior infants. And work up." Haven't we already started that years ago
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The blame football excuses are out early this year, the age old handy excuse "Shur it's all the fault of football lads"
All on the back of a week where our minor footballers and hurlers pulled off 2 great results with dual players playing a huge part in both and mick Jacob spoke about it very well in his after match interview, a man with no allegiance to football.
If we were producing players with a lack of ability it wojkd have some merit but we aren't, I mean it's probably our greatest attribute, the raw hurling ability of the lads. We have hurling only clubs doing very little, rathnure in intermediate, the alley the same, Oulart just up, surely if it was all down to not playing football there would be do I aging yet haven't for nigh on a decade, what does that say?
People citing our success at Leinster and all ireland club or lack of it, the ironic thing being that oulart apart when other clubs have been successful or at their best they were playing both, rathnure and the alley for example, we have 1 all ireland club championships within the county won by a team that won Intermediate football I the same year!! Go figure that one out.
I do agree we don't have a great club championship though which hasn't been helped by the ridiculous split season approach we took in the last few years, at least now if a fella or club wants to hurl only they'll get more training and more break between games etc which will help. I also don't think reducing the championships to 12 has done anything for us, ists simply reduced the amount of hurlers exposed to senior hurling and on down the grades.
But outside thinking such as maybe introducing regional teams for lower grades of hurling or linking league to championship etc would never bet traction. We like to complain and make excuses rather than explore change.
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Replying To Viking66: "Where has the system and energy we played with during the League gone?" One of the lads commentary yesterday said Lee Chin reminded him of Joe Canning at his peak. No slight on Lee but I'm wondering is that part of our problem. Galway when Canning was at his best were dreadful, maybe not to the level we are now, but poor all the same. I think there were lads playing for us yesterday who wanted to pass the buck constantly by whacking it in Lee's general direction. In the league we mixed it up with running through the lines and hitting the ball into space for likes of Casey or Cian Byrne to run onto. All those patterns of play seem to have disappeared with putting Lee inside, not his fault obviously but I think it's weakened the team. There was no point whacking a high ball into Casey so players had to think about what they were doing more.
Rossiter had a bit of a nightmare on the line yesterday too. Byrne went very well but bringing back in Mac for Casey was a terrible decision. Out of all the defenders, how he thought Murphy was the worst one beat all. He was far too soft in not hooking a couple of them at the break, Dunbar for one. The danger signs were there in the first half. We lacked ruthlessness on the pitch and sideline I'm afraid.
I'd still give us a fair chance against an average Galway team but it's time to move on from likes of Fanning, Donohue, Mac, Foley, Dunbar and McGovern. At least start some new blood anyway and keep the older lads in reserve. No idea what to do at 6
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Replying To WEXILE: "Haven't we already started that years ago" Yes. But it's not being took seriously in many clubs in the county. There were Senior clubs in this county only training once a week at u12 last year FFS. And I'm not making that up. And it wasn't only one club either. Main problem being lack of mentors . Just out of interest around 20 plus different lads have posted opinions on the game since we lost. How many of you are currently involved volunteering to help out with underage teams at your club? And how many have done so in the past? And how many never bothered their holes? I do know some of you are currently involved, but I also know some of you fall into that last category also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 20:00:43
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Paul I'm not disagreeing but can you give some examples of what changes you'd make to improve things. I posted the link to the document Co board sent out earlier and nobody has suggested anything that would help." Implementing the Wexford Way at all clubs would be a start. And making it more specific, as in 2 training sessions a week, what percentage of coaches should have what level of qualifications, etc would help also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12212 - 28/04/2024 20:02:42
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Replying To Timbertony: "One of the lads commentary yesterday said Lee Chin reminded him of Joe Canning at his peak. No slight on Lee but I'm wondering is that part of our problem. Galway when Canning was at his best were dreadful, maybe not to the level we are now, but poor all the same. I think there were lads playing for us yesterday who wanted to pass the buck constantly by whacking it in Lee's general direction. In the league we mixed it up with running through the lines and hitting the ball into space for likes of Casey or Cian Byrne to run onto. All those patterns of play seem to have disappeared with putting Lee inside, not his fault obviously but I think it's weakened the team. There was no point whacking a high ball into Casey so players had to think about what they were doing more.
Rossiter had a bit of a nightmare on the line yesterday too. Byrne went very well but bringing back in Mac for Casey was a terrible decision. Out of all the defenders, how he thought Murphy was the worst one beat all. He was far too soft in not hooking a couple of them at the break, Dunbar for one. The danger signs were there in the first half. We lacked ruthlessness on the pitch and sideline I'm afraid.
I'd still give us a fair chance against an average Galway team but it's time to move on from likes of Fanning, Donohue, Mac, Foley, Dunbar and McGovern. At least start some new blood anyway and keep the older lads in reserve. No idea what to do at 6" We probably need Chin at 14,11 and 6
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Replying To Wexican55: "Are we really having the " it's footballs fault " argument again ?... it wasn't footballs fault when we won leinster in 19.
Clare have a population roughly 40k lower than ours and can compete in both liam Mccarthy and Sam maguire...
What is the proposal make players choose ? Forbid them from playing one sport ?.
Hurling is in bad shape because of hurling. We have won minor leinster title in over 30 years. We haven't competed in a minor all Ireland in over 45 years.
We haven't won an all Ireland under 20/21 in god knows when.
The senior hurling budget needs to be cut and funding put into underage structure. More needs to be done from the ground up starting in primary schools.
None of the above is to do with football or dual players" There are serious structural issues at play. Schools, clubs, county don't pull in the one direction. Limerick were in the same boat not too long ago. Think it was in Davy Fitz time Clare annihilated them in Ennis and their keeper didn't want to come out for the second half! The Justin McCarthy era when most of their players went on strike. That was a few years after winning 3 x U21s in a row too. So it's all fixable, Meath beat us in 1995 when Liam Griffin got spat on. I don't think KK is a good reference point for us as they have a culture of being competitive every year, Limerick are a better one for us. They had coaches going over to the likes of Liam Brady at Arsenal years ago to learn and improve.
The one serious issue I'd like to see tackled is a complete restart of GAA in New Ross led by the county board. I know from reading on here and elsewhere that the issues there are complex. But we simply can't give up completely on a town of 9k people with a growing young population. Close to KK and Waterford, it should be at least senior in one code if not two.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 219 - 28/04/2024 21:05:56
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Replying To beano: "We probably need Chin at 14,11 and 6" Change the whole set up put chin centre back . Damien to wing back and Donohoe out .
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Foley comes out to middle to cover chin foley Reck lawlor going forward . .if we can supply good quality ball to inside 2 we surely can do damage but really need to boss middle third . Yesterday we came up well short in that area getting beaten to every breaking ball and any we won we coughed up again cheaply .
Give Antrim real credit they got their plan right and not just targeted our weakest areas literally destroyed them . We just looked wrong yesterday even at 7pts up we looked too nervous and always vulnerable to high ball, breaking ball or lads running at us . Antrim gave us a lesson in execution of a gane plan. A deserved win .
At this stage something has to change the old guard are just not firing . We need to change it up .
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